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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 2, Episode 4 · 1 year ago

Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia: "Clearly, Philly's Finest Doesn't Give A S***."

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In Season 2 Episode 4, Isabel and Lauren discuss Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

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Before going into this episode, we just wanted to give a quick trigger warning because we talked about slurs, rape, pedophilia and a lot of other things that can be pretty touchy subjects. It is kind of the nature of this show, but we thought we would give this warning before anyone would listen. So with that, we can just get right into the episode. Hi Everyone, and welcome back to how we never seen this before? In this week's episode, we watched it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Join us as we analyze what makes a social commentary and when it can go too far. This is a podcast where two best friends talk about movies they've never seen before. I'm Isabel and I'm Lauren, and this is how have we never seen this before? Hello, everyone, and welcome to season two, episode four. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. I don't know where to begin. I like, yeah, that's how I feel. We're off to a great start. So this show came out in two thousand and five and I just need to say like, because I saw that it came out then, I was like, HMM, this might be problematic, but I was like, let's just go with it. I feel like it'll be fine. Boy, was I wrong? Yeah, anything to say. Well, I guess the reason why I wanted to watch this show this week, Um, was because every white boy I know in college says it's the funniest show they've ever seen. That that was my first mistake right there. But, um, I figured we give it a shot because they're like, you're from Philly and you've never seen it's always sunny, like what's wrong with you? Like, I don't know why I didn't have Hulu until now, like sorry, but now that I'm Hulu, we can talk about it and watch it, and boy do I have some thoughts on it. Like after the first three minutes of the show, I was like maybe this is like the office the first season. The office's probably just as problematic as this, maybe a little less, but like, I think a little less. Yeah, it's just like the fact that even the titles are so problematic, like I don't understand how this show was ever. Okay, I mean from this first season and the first episode is just really concerning that this is something that people call like the funniest show ever. It's just like great, and we do also realize that this show is definitely a social commentary, but at the same time, it feels as though the writers are trying to be more shocking than actually teaching a lesson. Like there are parts in it that shock me. Like I gasped when I heard the n word, the K word, when I heard a trance a slur for Trans People, like it was disgusting and I don't know, it just shocked me. It didn't make me understand anything or like question my privilege those parts. Definitely, other parts of the show did, but not the parts where they would just straight up say a slur. Yeah, it's just like and none of the characters, at least from what I really saw, had any redeeming qualities, like even the main girl. I felt like she was they were trying to have her as the liberal person in the group, but she also just kind of accepts all their poor judgments and unacceptable behavior just because they're her friends and her brother. It. It's just I don't know, I never want to watch it. Yeah, well, I guess we should just don't know, before we get like too far into it, we should probably introduce like the basic premise of the show. Yeah, so basically, at least for the first season, because I know Danny de beaters in the show, but he's not in the first season at all. It's this group of four friends and two of them, Charlie and Dennis, own it. Does...

Matt Own it too? Yeah, okay, the three guys, Charlie, Dennis and Mac, all own this bar together in south Philly and it's kind of just about their life working and owning the bar. It's kind of unsuccessful unless they have people kind of come in to help them. But the way there helped is like not great, like I don't know. It will explain it in the episodes, but that's kind of the just that I got from the first season of it. I don't know anything else to add to that. I mean, no, not really. That it took place and it takes place in Philadelphia and I did. That's all I'm clearly she wasn't paying attention to me. No, I was, but I was also looking through my notes. Um, yes, so we have the past. Now I guess we'll get into it. We have MAC. Mac is kind of a more conservative person. He definitely is right wing and he makes it known unless something else helps him, like less something else is in his favor, and that happens in the second episode yeah, politically, he kind of he does whatever suits him best, not others. Yeah, everyone in the shows like pretty selfish. But Um, to say the least, he's also selfish and throughout the whole show. You don't really get much of this in the first season, but as time progresses he kind of is at the butt of a lot of gay jokes and the writers insinuate that he's gay throughout the show. Huh, yes, and so, Um, the last episode of season thirteen he actually comes out and it's like a touching moment. Is that they're supposed to like make up for everything? was that kind of what they were trying to do? Those are my thoughts. Like, Matt comes out as gay kind of like at the after being at the butt of so many homophobic jokes or also like saying so many homophobic things, but it doesn't take away like all of the other offensive jokes that he said, like he's incredibly racist and sexist and just, yeah, terrible. Yeah, but he comes out as gay. So that is Mac and then we have Charlie. He's short and gets angry a lot and raises his voice and he kind of reminds me of a more unlikable Nick Miller. Okay, okay, I can see that. Like I wonder if Nick Miller's character was based at all off of Charlie. Nick Miller so much better than Charlie, I know, but it kind of like the bartender who always gets angry. Is kind of gross, not the brightest, but Charlie does terrible things too. I know Charlie does awful things. The thing is about these characters is that the second you think that they might like do something like a good person would do, they always go the wrong way, which is where the social commentary part comes in, I guess. And then you have Diandra. Her friends call her sweet D and She is the bar tender at the bar. She doesn't own it, but she's always there and kind of treats the bar like it's her own. And I guess her thing is that she is definitely like the more liberal person of the group, but is still an awful person and she she will always like make a point to kind of her I want to say this. She'll always make a point to criticize her her friends and her brother for doing the exact same thing that she ends up doing in the end. Yeah, so she makes it seem like she's a better person, but she thought. Yeah. So then you have her brother, Dennis. He is an owner of the bar throughout the show. You don't really get this much in the first season, but he becomes like he does. He doesn't become he admits, kind of through context clues, that he is a serial rapist and he just treats women terribly more than the others, which is hard to do. What. Yeah, I'm sorry, he's a serial rapists. Yeah, so he does this thing where he when he hooks up with women, he makes it he makes the location something where they would feel uncomfortable saying no, like on a boat. That's disgusting. Yeah, he also has this thing called the Dennis method, the Dennis method, where he like emotionally manipulates a woman or woman it's...

...like falling in love with him and hating him, Oh my God. Yeah, so he kind of sucks and he'll like do anything to sleep with women. And then you have their father, frank. He's played by Danny de Vito. He okay, okay, I don't know any of this because he's not in the first season and I was too disgusted to keep looking. Yeah, so he's played by Danny de Vito. He doesn't come in until season two, but he's just kind of his awful as the rest of them, if not worse. He basically will step on anyone to get what he wants and he's just a selfish person. So yeah, that's that's the main cast for you. That's awful. Okay. So, I mean, I was thinking we could go through each episode and just say all the things wrong with it, and I think that's the only way to go about this really. So I don't the this is the one episode I didn't write the name down for. It the get it gets racist. Yep, the gang gets races. Okay. So, like I feel like that title and itself just really sets the tone for the whole show, like that's your pilot really. So basically it's just kind of showing the bar and everything. D comes in with this or she says that she's bringing a guy over that she met at her acting class and it when he walks in, it's a black man, and all her friends and brother, I'm just gonna call them all friends. They're they all freak out and they're like wow, we weren't expecting you to be black, like how, Oh my God um and very messed up. It's just really uncomfortable and well to watch. Like they're not. They're also uncomfortable, but because he's black and it's like it's awful, and his name is Terrell and he's like a bar promoter. So he offered. Somehow they get past all of that and he offers to promote their bar for them because their bard is terribly because it's an awful bar and they're awful people and the show kind of like jumps around because of all their stories. But Charlie's also in love with this girl who's a waitress, who's please caroline in new girl. Oh, that's how I know her. Yeah, she's got brown hair though, so like she she looks very different. And they're at this rush, well, at the her cafe or restaurant or whatever, and while they're they're they're talking about how weird they all acted with Tarrell at the bar, and then Charlie just goes ahead and like casually says the n word, like with a hard ore and not that either ways. Okay, yeah, and they the waitress girl like he hears him say that and is like just like no, which is kind of like, oh, maybe things are kind of okay, like she's an o Kay character, but then they just decide that they're going to go, or Charlie Mac decide to go to like the University of pen or something, or temple, I don't know, and they're going to go find a black girl for Charlie to date to prove that they're not racist, which is just disgusting, and I mean at the same time it turns that thout. Turns out that Tarrella is gay and he promoted the bar to all their gay friends and they're only okay with it when Dennis is everyone thinks Dennis is cute and he's kind of exploiting them for tip money and I don't know, Max says some really racist things and d tells Mac to get Charlie or Dennis drunk so that he doesn't want it to keep being a gay bar. Like they're like pretend that he's sleeping. He slept with these two men, and D forces herself into Terrell because she doesn't know he's gay, and it's just like no, she knows that he's gay and she's like trying to confirm it. And then it's like, in the span of twenty three minutes. You did all of these awful things. I'm kind of like shaking talking about it because I'm angry. Like that's the first episode. I don't I don't understand how anyone co could be like even like there's no social commentary in...

...this like maybe in some of the later episodes I can kind of see where they're getting at, but in this episode it's just blatant racism and Homophobia and it's just disgusting. I agree with you. I definitely was so put off by this episode. I was honestly surprised that so many people know me and has have recommended this show to be and like don't see why I, like, like someone who's never seen it before, coming in from like a zelennial perspective, would ever think that that is funny. And it would be one thing if this were social commentary and these jokes were written by minorities. But coming in with the facts here, in two thousand and eighteen the show was under fire for having a white writers room. So at that point there were a hundred and thirty four episodes and only three of those episodes were written by a woman and only two of them were. Two episodes were written by a person of color. So it's not as though the people who these jokes are about are the people writing them. It's white men, like, I don't like. If you'RE gonna try to pass off these jokes as social I'm using air closes social commentary, at least have your writers be represented. Like it doesn't, does not compute in my brain. It's yeah, I I've I feel like when they were writing these episodes, it was just like, I don't know, I felt like the fact that they were coming up with these things to talk about. They were just like, I don't know. I it's just really concerning that people would write a show like this and it just it makes it even worse knowing that it's just white people writing the show. And I don't know, have you ever had someone who's not a white man recommend the show to you before? I haven't. I'm happy to say no one's ever recommended the show to me before. But I also tend to not talk to people. Oh my God, like I don't have any like I'm stereotyping here, but I don't have any rat guy friends. Really, I don't interact like I have my small group of friends and of my small group of friends. Three of them work at the Center for Gender Equity at my school, and I think that says something about like their political stance and their view on the world. I don't know, I feel like this show was made for white boys who say they have a, quote unquote, dark sense of humor and use that to make jokes about the Holocaust or slavery. Like you can't just say you have a dark sense of humor or that you're being satirical and then just insult a whole group of people. Yeah, this like I don't honestly like we shouldn't give the show that much time. So because, at least in my paint's so bad. So I'm hoping and keep this episode short. No, no, I'm just like I'm I'm not telling you to like speed up, I'm saying like I just like just talking about it makes me angry. I know I have like three thousand words of like everything that I wrote down, like all my feelings when I was watching this show and like, obviously I'm not going to like I don't don't even use half the notes that I write, but it's just funny how like how many words that I have to say. I I had less and less as the show one on, not because like it didn't it made me less angry or anything. I had less because I wanted to like I couldn't comprehend it. I would like what I was writing. I was like how was this a show? Yeah, so episode two. So too, like, can you believe all that happened in episode one? Episode two is titled Charlie Wants an abortion, and from that Title I was like, Oh, I know where this entire show is going. Basically, Charlie finds out that he might have a child from a girl he was with in high school or like right before college, and basically Mac was like, well, you should have told her to...

...get an abortion or whatever, and they're trying to talk about how Charlie has would have had the right to have a say in that, and then D's kind of trying to say like no, she it's her choice, and she tries to like counter their argument but like just kind of gives up right away until they go to this protest at in abortion clinic, but not an abortion clinic, it's it's at plan parenthood, I think. And there's two sides. There's the pro life and pro choice, and basically Mac and I think it's dennet. Yeah, it's MAC and Dennis. They tag along with D but they only go to to try and hook up with girls, like find hot girls at this protest, which is disgusting in itself, and they start off on the pro choice side and then they're all the girls are like you're disgusting. So then they just decide to go over to the pro life side to find some other girls and like Mac sleeps with one of the people in charge over there and then she like confronts him and is like, Oh, I like it's a miracle, I'm pregnant, and then he's like, even though he says he's conservative, like you can tell he's like a conservative when that happens. He's like, okay, you have to get an abortion, and it's just disgusting. I don't know what else to say. Yeah, I thought that this episode was a little bit more clear when it comes to like who the jokes are at the expense of. Like obviously they're at the expense of the dumb boys, for not for just like all of their actions. So I thought this one was a little bit better than the last one. There weren't any racial slurs or homophobia from what I saw. But Um, yeah, I just thought that this one was a little bit better, in my opinion, because it shows like how stupid some people are when it comes to stuff like that, and so for that reason, like, I wasn't as offended by this one. I guess it like I don't know, there's still like sexism and everything, but I think maybe it could be funny if they tried to be outlandish, like really over the top with these things, but it's so real in a way that it's not funny in any way. I don't even know if it could be funny if they really like went out with it, but it's like this could like be a real thing. Yeah, and I think that's scary. I don't know, I think it's kind of scary and weird. I mean I think it's they do get themselves in like a ridiculous situation where, Um, Dennis is literally climbing over the fence to the other abortion rally and they start throwing eggs at him. I think the situation that they get into is a bit like ridiculous and kind of like crazy. But at the same time these are opinions that women here every single day about abortion and it's usually men voicing these opinions, and so that's why I think it kind of I guess it shined a light on um like how it sounds as a woman to hear these things and to hear the hipocrisy coming from that. But did a woman write this? I don't know. Oh, I don't know which, which two episodes were written by women, but I did think it was funny when d says to Mac, so Mac was talking about how he is an anti abortionist and how he he thinks it's like murder or whatever and it's up to God, and she says, Um, but aren't you right wingers for the death penalty? Yeah, I thought that one was good. This writing, Oh, that's disgusting. So the writing credit go to rob mcellenie, who is Mac m charlie, who is Charlie, and Glenn Howarton. I don't know who that is. It might be Dennis. Yeah, yeah, it's Dennis. Okay, so they wrote this. HMM, they're like the main writers of the show's concerning okay, yeah, but so that was that was always sunny, covering abortion, a...

...topic that still very relevant today. Yeah, that's true. I mean it's like weird how it's still relevant, I guess. HMM, yeah, yeah, so movie got to episode three. Episode Three is titled Underage Drinking a national concern. Jow Me to explain this one. Yeah, so basically the bar is packed on a random Friday night, which is bizarre because no one ever comes to their bar, and they realize that it's all underage kids and instead of, you know, asking to see all their IDs, like beefing up on security, they decide to make it a amusing air quotes here, safe haven for underage kids to drink. But really it's just so they can make money and water down the drinks. And D is totally against it because she doesn't want to exploit children. But then at the same time she meets a guy at the bar, high school boy, and they start dating and it kind of they're trying to kind of it runs parallel with how they were in high school. Like apparently Dennis was a popular kid in high school, but only because he hooked up with freshman. So you can see the small insinuations of how he treats women. Yeah, and they like casually just bring up statutory rape a lot. Yeah, and then you have Charlie who's the class clown, and Mac, who sold weed, and so at the same time, Um, a girl comes on to Dennis and tells him that she's eighteen, and then D is dating a boy in her class. Then her wrote, Charlie macker, stiff and glue. They do that at one point. Yeah, it's weird. Come and so a girl, a girl from the Bar, is having people over and she invites Mac and Charlie, but only so they can get the keg for her. And so D ends up being at this party too. And so they're all at this party full of underage kids, high schoolers, and D goes to the party to like be with her boyfriend and she says something before that along the lines of like Oh, like, you make me feel so safe, and then I've never statutory rape someone before. She's pretty like awful to just like throw in there. There's definitely a better way you could have gone out gone with telling the point. And then they all wake up in the house the next day after the party and everyone was asked to prom except Mac, kind of like high school. And then they all decide that they're not going to go to prom. But then Dennis gets blackmailed by the girl from before and to going to prom. Never run UM, and so Dennis has to go to prom. So they all decide to go to prom and D is in her dress from like what, the early night, and Nies, yeah, and she's like black out drunk and comes on less, flopping all over the high school boy and so disgusting. D's yeah, d'se guy gets jealous of Dennis's girl because their exes and they end up making out and ditching them. And Charlie's the only one who goes to prom with a high schooler. So she must have been like she looked young, like she's probably an adult playing it, but like she looked young for an adult. So I feel like she was probably supposed to be like sixteen, maybe. Yeah, it was really annoying and gross. Yeah, but yeah, so, um. Yeah, so that tackles had Philia for you. Well, actually, know, that doesn't cover all of it. They they go on to another episode and talk about it again. So, yeah, what are your thoughts on that episode? One thing I was thinking was, how is this school okay with this? Yeah, like, I know, like like at our school you had to get your day to prove but even, like I'm I think, from what I've heard, like at public schools even more strict, or at least it can be. But, like at any school, someone was like yeah, even if they lied about their age and they showed up with someone who looked to be thirty years old, how would they be allowed in? I know, like why does Charlie get to go? Like, why does Charlie get let in?...

I don't I don't understand. It doesn't make sense to me. Honestly. The schools that fall here. Well, I mean, what is the point of this episode? Like what are they trying to teach us? Because, yeah, I don't know, the lesson went right over my head. Are we supposed to like, are we supposed to criticize the American Public School System? Because not getting that from this episode. Like are we supposed to look out for the warning signs of a serial rapist? I don't know, because it was there and we all caught it and they thought it was funny. I don't know, I don't know. Honestly, it makes it the show, like makes it seemed like this is okay. Yeah, like there weren't any horrible repercussions for their actions. Like if this episode ended with one of them going to jail. I would have been fine with this episode, because then we would have learned a lesson. Like done. They stayed there and then the show ended. Yeah, John, don't Hook up with high schoolers. How about that one? But no, there weren't any repercussions for their actions, so didn't learn anything. Yeah, and that theme of no we percussions continues throughout the next four episodes. So episode four is titled Charlie Might Have Cancer, emphasis on the MIC, and not to have so basically it's like Dennis goes over to Charlie's apartment to get a basketball. Charlie has been air quotes crying, which he might as well been crying, I don't know, but he says that he might have cancer and Dennis like is like, Oh, are you okay? And then could care less or couldn't couldn't care less. I say the wrong all the time. They couldn't care less, and it's just like so, where's a basketball? Like what a terrible friend. And the rest of them, when Dennis goes to tell them, they're like, oh, he's just going to lose all his hair. That's the only thing they care about. They don't care about like helping him. Like the first thing that's on their mind is how's he going to look without his hair, and Dennis like tells them that, oh, he was there and he like was there for Charlie for like they sat for hours while he was crying, like he wasn't there at all. He just cared about his basketball. Max says something discussing. I didn't write it down, and then Oh, that's what happened. Yeah, this is the episode. This is the episode where they just make fun of Trans People and kind of try to imply that they're predatory or I don't I don't know the word for because it's it's just wrong, like what they're trying to do, and I don't even want to say it, like it's just disgusting. Well, I feel like you should give context. I can talk about a few fun no. So, like, so Mac sees this this woman at the bar. She's playing pool or something, and he's talking to her until he goes back over to Dennis and try. I don't know who's there, I guess probably just Dennis and D and they're like, oh, yeah, that's someone's cousin. She's transgender. Wait, never wance did they call her by her appropriate gender. Yeah, they always call her him and they don't say transgender. They give her drowt Tory slur, which I'm not going to say, and then, wow, MAC MAC is like not okay with it, but kind I don't, I don't know. This part was like a little weird. I think maybe they're trying to imply that he's gay with it. I don't know. Now that you said that, I'm like, is that what they were trying to do? MMM, which I don't know. Um. So, she this this woman, I don't remember her name. Her name was Carmen. Carmen, okay, she has not had gender reassignment surgery yet and not everyone wants that, and that's that's okay. That's not like a step where they can't afford it, like that's fine. She actually ends up getting it later in the show. Just Fun, okay, okay, I so. Yeah.

Well, at this point she hasn't had gender re assignment surgery and they tend to show her grabbing like whenever Mac like goes away or comes back. I'd like, I don't I don't really know why they do this, but she grabs her penis like it's just like in her skin tight jeans. Like it doesn't. It doesn't really make sense, like I the way they do it. I don't anyway, they show that many times to be funny and it's not funny. NOPE, there's also like a subplot of D's acting friend who is a heavier woman. She like lost her job and she tries, D tries to get her job at the the Bar, and they make fun of her because, like he won't give her the job because she's heavier, pretty much. And Charlie doesn't have cancer. He was just using it to get a girl. Yep, the waitress from before. Actually, yeah, he's because he's in love with her. What's also really awful about that whole storyline with Charlie and the waitress is that she, throughout the show, ends up like going back to her alcoholism. She files multiple restraining orders against him and she also loses several jobs because of him. Yep, my dogs are working. Yeah, so that ends up happening, which kind of sucks. Well, doesn't kind of stuck. That's awful. Yeah, one positive thing, I guess about this episode is that like they're repercussions for actions. Like Mac accidentally punches Carmen in the face and these these guys around them or like that's hate crime, and start chasing him and he ends up getting punched in the face. So he deserved it, which is just. Well, D punches him in the face. So she does. Yeah, because Dal like has always wanted to punch in the face because he punched her in the face at one point. Well, he ends up getting punched in the face. Yeah, so I'm chain really, and Charlie kind of ruins a shot with a girl. So, yeah, Great. Moving on. Oh, this is the only episode I actually thought was funny. The next one. Yeah, okay, then you go ahead. I did kind of think this one was good. So the plot, well, it's called gun fever and it tackles gun control. So we're off to a good start already, because this isn't about a group people, it's about guns. Yeah, that's true. Yes, so, basically, someone broke into patties, the bar that they work at, and stole they're safe and they decide to buy a gun because, you know, that's the logical thing to do. On. Yeah, being sarcastic, in case you couldn't tell. And the police do absolutely nothing, Um, which is kind of like when I was robbed. The police did nothing. So it does kind of say something about the police, which is which is good. It makes a statement. And D is dating this guy who wants to sleep with every bartender in town and it turns out that a bunch of stafs were stolen in town. So you kind of know from the very beginning of the episode that he's the one that is going in and breaking into all these places. So D is very much against them buying a gun until her new guy says that it's sexy. Like once again D is playing the I'm better than you, I'm my I have higher morals than you do. Of course it's the woman. Yeah, but ends up flip flopping and doing the exact same thing that they do. And so at the same time Charlie needs to pay his rent, and so then, oh, okay, so charlie needs to pay his rent because it's late, and Mac and Dennis bought a gun and are playing with it and Charlie comes in and plays with it too, and then Charlie brings the gun to his apartment to scare his landlord so he doesn't have to pay rent. So he thinks that this gun is like doing wonders for him and D is shooting a gun for the...

...first time with her guy and meanwhile, of all that's happening, Dennis and Mac or trying to solve the case. So they take the gun back from Charlie and assume it's the guy that D is dating and they try to trick him into robbing patties twice, but they find out that he is always carrying a gun. And so d MAC, Dennis and Dennis are all waiting at Patti's for the robber and at that point Charlie comes in and tries to rob the bar and so they shoot him in the head and it just grazes him, but they sted off to take him to the hospital and they're all arguing over the the gun and who shot who and whose fault it is, and they decide to keep the gun in the end because they're stupid. But I thought that there are two funny quotes from this this episode, which is, let's be rational, we need to buy a gun, which, yeah, I thought was pretty funny, and then they also said clearly phillies finest doesn't give a shit, which I also thought was funny. Well, I guess we have our options for quotes for the episode, I don't really have anything on this one. I just kind of was like these people are the reason we need more gun laws in this country. Yeah, but that's the point. Yeah, I guess this one, this one worked. Yeah, this one was more like. This one was crystal clear on it who it's making fun of. Yeah, I mean, I yeah, okay, the next one isn't great. Now this one is not great. So episode six is called the gang find a dead guy, and basically they come in the next morning, or like m morning, and there's a man who seems asleep but he's actually deep. He died. It doesn't not important how or why. But basically this man's granddaughter comes in and is like, I just wanted to see where he spent his loss last night, and all the guys try to get with her because they're terrible people, and at the same time d realizes that she doesn't want to lose her grandfather before getting to spend any more time with him, because she hasn't seen in a while. She's freaked out by old people, which is like and like ridiculously freaked out. It's just like kind of like all right, like that's enough, and she can't even get into the room with him. She's just like so grossed out. But Charlie had gone with her and but it's D and Dennis as grandfather, and he thinks that Charlie's Dennis. So he asked him to go get something that he wants to be buried in, and it turns out that what's in this box that I want him to get is a Nazi uniform and like a picture of him in the Nazi uniform, and it's just like the whole thing is charlie kind of trying it on and and then they try to sell it and the museum they try to sell to is like I'm going to call the cops. Like why would you say this? Is like the way they phrased it. They were like you need this in your museum, this is important, but like important in as like we are also Nazi's. Like it was like very weird and basically Charlie ends up keeping the hat from the uniform and yeah, yeah, yeah, in this episode the grandfather also uses the K slur, which like I don't think I've ever heard spoken aloud before, especially on TV. Yeah, the fact that all of these slurters were just casually use on TV. I like, what station would allow this? HMM, that was one of the moments where I was more so shocked than checking my privilege. You know, it's yeah, if it's a social commentary, I should not be shocked. I should be thinking deeply about my privilege, but I was not. Couldn't get over the fact that they said that word, and so casually too. I like literally gasped when I heard it. I don't know why, like, who has a show on? I feel like with like everything that's like people are like uncovering things, you know, like the like seeing all these things that people have done wrong over the years, and some I've grown from some habit. Like why is this show available for anyone to...

...watch? Like I think, like it could maybe be okay if they at least bleep out the slurs, like at a minimum, but it's just like why do you have this? Well, it's funny that you bring that up, because they were under fire this summer because there are a lot of episodes where they use black face. But Oh, like, I think that's why they were dropped by Netflix and taken to Hulu. I'm not a hundred percent sure on that one, but Um, they use black face in a significant amount of episodes. It's not just once and they use it even as late as two thousand and thirteen. Wow, so that's just crazy to think that that it, that was on TV in two thousand and thirteen. But, UM, the solution that they came up to for this was to just take all of the episodes where they use black face out. But at the same time, did no one catch this isn't? Yes, almost as bad, if not the same, like, yeah, straight up saying the n word, Kyword, a slur for transgender people, like are you kidding me? Like why wouldn't? Why wouldn't you take that out too? Who knows what else? This isn't them too? Yeah, and it's just at what point does your quote unquote, social commentary become an excuse for you to make jokes about people like minorities and people of other religions and races and genders? I don't know, I don't know how. I keep saying that I know, but like, I don't know how this was ever a show that like, people would tune in regularly to watch. You know, Yep, it's not like it's a Netflix series or something. That's all posted all at once. It's something that they had good enough ratings for fifteen seasons. Like that's kind of, I don't know, concerning to me. And also, like if you're moving to Hulu, Um and you realize that your show has evolved into becoming a more accepting show and a show that doesn't shock people like that with horrific things to say, if you're moving to Hulu, you can definitely edit the show and take out some of the parts where it could really hurt someone. Or, honestly, like I don't think that these episodes really really like define them as character like it does to me, like they're awful people. That's what it defined them as to me. But I think they could probably get rid of this season in like take it off entirely, and I don't think you would lose anything from the show. HMM, yeah, because it's not I don't know, these characters are kind of one dimensional and that's like the point. They're supposed to be kind of one dimensional. So like why we need why do we need that? And also, like, sorry, good I was just gonna say. Like also, even if it's even if it's meant to be satirical, using words like that still normalizes it and invalidating transgender people. Even if it's supposed to be a joke, it's still does and imagine being someone who, like, falls into these categories that they're making fun of as a social commentary. Like, I'm sorry, but like like watching this from a white, SIS gender woman's perspective, like I'm still offended and I'm not even affected by most of these jokes. So I can only imagine how hurt the communities that they talked about would be hearing this and seeing this. Yeah, so that's episodes. Say, there's more episode in the season and then we'll never talk about again, except for whatever learn has to bring up, and then we're never talking about this again. So episode seven's called Charlie got molested. Basically, these two boys is from their middle school went to the police and said that this, their jym teacher, had touched them as as young children and that there were probably more victims. And basically the whole friend group thinks that Charlie was one of these people that was molested by their teacher and they make light of it the whole time, and Mac even goes to the teacher's house and is dressed in really short shorts and is like why didn't you molest me? Like why you shouldd have, like why wasn't I good enough? And it's like it ends up that these two men...

...were lying and they were just doing it to get money, which is not okay. You don't joke about that. You don't like just like do that to someone. And Charlie eventually goes and they so Charlie's all their friends, go to Charlie's family and tell them that this happened to him, even though they have no idea if it did, and they try to stage an intervention and then they're basically like, well, you need to go to the police and tell them. So those two guys that made this up go to the police station with him, because they are going to blackmail him and say, like if he didn't and like told the police that he was lying or that they were lying, they would say it was all his idea or something. They can throw him under the bus instead. So when they go to the police station, Charlie kind of wraps them all out and then I don't really know what happens to them. I guess they go to jail or I don't I don't really know, but like it's clear that Charlie's upset about the situation. I we don't really ever find out why, at least from what I could understand. But yeah, I think that's kind of most the episode. They just make fun of kids who were abused by their teachers. Yep, this episode, two, well actually this one in the one before, made me realize how much of a ripoff shameless is of the show. I don't know, do you watch shameless? I did, but I don't know what you're talking about. Well, so one of the episodes, Oh, I forget his name, which it's D's husband. Do you mean be the D, Not v, the these husband? What's his name? I don't know, hold on it looking Kevin. How could I be so dumb? Okay, so in one of the episodes of shameless, a bunch of kids from like Kevin's basketball team come out out as like saying that they're coach like abuse them as kids, and Kevin wasn't, and so the whole time he was wondering why he wasn't chosen. I mean, the one thing this episode does is teach us, like they kind of throw in some like lessons there. Like you, you shouldn't stage an intervention when you suspect that someone you know has been through something traumatic like that. They also say, like they also teach us that pedophilia is more about power than attraction. So that was okay, like learning about that, and Charlie does say, like there are people who have actually been molested. You guys are going to exploit that for your own personal gain, which isn't that what the show is doing? But yeah, so, yeah, so, I mean I see where the lesson is there, but also, at the same time, I feel like there's a better way of going about it than how they did. I just like I don't think anything like makes up for it, you know. HMM. Yeah, so, like was there anything that or anyway that the show evolved from what you've seen? Um, well, I didn't have time to watch all all fourteen seasons, but I did see some of the episodes that I referenced, such as like the one in season five where Dennis talks about the Dennis method Um and then the one in season six where he makes women feel threatened. So they so it didn't like evolved a devolved. No, I mean in some ways, like well, I guess honestly, in two thousand and thirteen if they were doing blackface still. Like I didn't see all the episodes, but it kind of stays the same almost. But I don't think they say the n word again. Well, that's good. Yeah, and when Mac comes out, there isn't really a joke. It's just like it's him like dancing, doing like a contemporary dance, I think. Okay, so there wasn't a joke, which is good. It wasn't like they were trying to make it like something that's funny, because it's not. Um. So, I mean I basically talked about like I sprinkled in everything I was gonna say throughout. Okay, all this, but I did have like one more point to bring up. Just Um, like I realized that this show is...

...supposed to be a social commentary and supposed to be satirical, like where the actors are awful people who say like racist, homophobic Xus sogynistic things. I do phase repercussions for their actions like most of the time, but Um, it kind of like normalizes making comments like that and passing them off as a joke, because it's not transgender people making the joke or black people making the joke. It's white SIS, gender males and one girl talking about like race issues, rape and other things, and so I don't know, I feel like it normalizes like white men to say those things. Almost in past. Moth is dark humor. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I am not glad to have watched this. I hope it gets taken off of Hulu soon, at least the episodes that we watched, and hopefully I'll the other incredibly bad ones. I mean not to end on a bad review, but I don't think there's any other way to end this one. Yeah, now I feel sad. I mean, we will definitely pick something better for next week. I don't think we can get any worse than this. I think that's a positive. Yeah, also, anyone who suggested this show to be why would you think that I would enjoy this? I hope none of you ever to reckon me in the show to anyone. Yeah, no, I will not have you recommending this anyone. Oh, I don't, I know you won't. I just mean anyone who's listening. Yeah. Well, if you want to recommend better shows to us, we greatly greatly appreciate it. Even check us out on facebook and Instagram at how have we never podcast, and on twitter at how have we never, as well as on Youtube, if you just search how we never seen this before, we're on there as well. I think that's it. I'd like to say one last thing. Go ahead, Um, if you've made it this far to the episode, I just want to say thank God our demographic is not straight white men. That is true. Thank you, appreciate it. We'll see you next week. Why? Why? Hey, congratulations, you've made it to the end of our podcast. We hope you enjoyed listening. How have we never seen this before? Is produced by is Bo barone. The music is by Scott Holmes. The podcast art is by Michael Beaumont over at monitor comics, and our social media is run by Lauren Cola. Thanks for listening.

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