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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 2, Episode 4 · 1 year ago

Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia: "Clearly, Philly's Finest Doesn't Give A S***."

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In Season 2 Episode 4, Isabel and Lauren discuss Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

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Before going into this episode, we justwanted to give a quick trigger warning, because we talk about slurs, rape,Pedophelia and a lot of other things that can be pretty touchy subjects Um.It is kind of the nature of this show, but we thought we would give thiswarning before anyone would listen so without we can just get right into theepisode everyone and welcome back to how wenever seen this before. In this week's episode we watched. It's always sunnyin Philadelphia, join us as we analyze what makes a social commentary and whenit can go too far. This is a coandcast where two bestfriends talk about movies they've, never seen before. I'm Isabel and I'mLauren- and this is how have we never seen this before hello everyone andwelcome to season two episode? Four, it's always sunny in Philadelphia. I don't know where to begin M, I like yeah, that's what I feel we're off to a great start, so this show came out in two thousandand five and I just need to say like because I saw that came out then I waslike Hm. This might be problematic, but I was like: Let's just go with it, Ifeel like it'll, be fine boy. Was I wrong myeah anything to say? Well, I guess Um. The reason why I wanted to watch thishow this week. Um was because every white boy I know in college, says it's. The funniest show they'veever seen that that was my first mistake rightthere, but um I figured'd woe'd, give it ashot because they're like you're from Philly and you've, never seen it'salways sunny like what's wrong with you. Like I don't know, I didn't have Holu untilnow, like sorry, but now that I'm Tulu, we can talkabout it and watch it and boy do I have some thoughts on it like after the first three menutesofthe show I was like. Maybe this is like the office, the first seas in theoffice, it's probably just as problematic as this maybe a little lessbut, like, I think, a little less yeah. It's justlike the fact that even the titles are so problematic. Like I don't understandhow this show was ever OK, I mean from this first season and the firstepisode is Jus really concerning that. This is something that people call likethe funniest show ever it's just like great an, and we do also realize that this showis definitely a social commentary but at the same time, um it feels as though the writers are trying to be moreshocking than actually teaching a lesson like there are parts in it thatshocked me, like I gasped when I heard the nward the Kword, when I heard atran a slur for transpeople like it was disgusting, and I don't know it justshocked me, it didn't make me understand anything or like question mypriilege o those parts. Definitely other parts of the show did, but notthe parts where they would just straight up, say a slur yeah, it's justlike, and none of the characters, at least from what I really saw had anyredeeming qualities like even the the main girl I felt like she was. Theywere trying to have her as the liberal person in the group, butshe also just kind of accepts all their poor judgments and unacceptablebehavior, just 'cause they're, her friends and her brother. It's just I don't know. I never want to watch it yeah. Well, Iguess we should just before we get like too far into it. We should probablyintroduce like the basic premise of the show yeah so basically at least for thefirst season, because I know Danny debitos in this show, but he's not inthe first season at all. It's this group of four friends and two of them, Charlie and...

Dennis on it, does Mac one it too yeah.Okay, the three guys, Charlie, Denis and Mac, all ownd, this bar together inSouth Philly, and it's kind of just about their lifeworking and owning the bar. It's kind of unsuccessful, unless they havepeople kind, O come in to help them, but the way their helped is like not great. Like I don't know, I it willexplain it in the episodes, but that's kind of just that I got from thefirst season of it m anything else. To add to Yat I mean no, not really that it tookplace. It takes place in Philadelphia. I do an he followe. Clearly she wasn'tpaying attention to me. No. I was, but I was looking through my notes. Yes, so we have the cast now I guesswe'll get into it. We have MAC. Mat is kind of a more conservativeperson. He definitely is right wing and he makes it known Um unless something else helps him like l, something else is inhis favor, and that happens in the second episode yeah politically he kindof Um he he does whatever suits him best, not others. Yo everyonin the shows like pretty selfish, but the is also selfish, Um and throughout the whole show you don'treally get much of this in the first season, but as time progress is Um, hekind of is at the butt of a lot of gay, jokes and Um. The writers insinuatethat he is gay throughout the show Yeh and so the last episode of season,thirteen he actually comes out- and it's like a touching moment- is that otheyresupposed to like make up for everything was that kind of what they were tryingto do. Those were my thoughts like maccomes out is gay Um Kindo, like atafter being at the butt of so many homophobic, jokes ere, also like sayingso many homophobic things, but it doesn't take away like all the otheroffensive jokes that he said like he's: Incredibly Racist and sexist, and justyeah errible yeah, but um he comes out is gay, so that is Mac. And then wehave Charlie he's short and gets angry a lot and raises his voice, and he kindof reminds me of a more unlikeable Nick Miller, okay. Okay, I can see that, like. Iwonder if Nick Miller's character was based at all off of Charlie Nickmillers, so much better than torwy.I know, but it kind of like the bar tender who always gets angry, is kindof gross, not the brightest, Wat rearly, just terrible things too. I knowCharlie does awful things t the thing is about these characters. Is that thesecond? You think that they might like do something a good person would do.They always go the wrong way, which is where the social commentarypart comes in. I guess Um and then you have deandra her friends call her sweetD and She is the bartender at the bar. Shedoesn't own it, but she's, always there and kind of treats the bar like it'sher own and Um. I guess her thing is that she is definitely like the more liberalperson of the group but is still an awful person and she she will always like make a point to kind of Ho. Do I want to say this she'll alwaysmake a point to criticize her, her friends and her brother for doing theexact same thing that she ends up doing in the end yeah. So she makes it seemlike she's, the better person, but she thought Mye. So then you have herbrother, Denis he is an owner of the bar Um throughout the show. You don'treally get this much in the first season, but he becomes like he doesn'tbecome. He admits kind of through context, cludes that he is a serialrapist and she distreats women terribly more than the others, which is hard todo what yeah I'm sohe's a serial rapistyeah. So he does this thing where he, when he hooks up with women, he makesit he makes the location something where they would feel uncomfortable,saying no like on a boat. THAT'S DISGUSTING YEAH! He also has this thingcalled the the Dennis method, the Denis method, where he like emotionallymanipulates a women or woman into like...

...falling in love with him and hating him. Oh, my God yeah. So he kind o sucks and he'lllikedo anything to sleep with women and th en you have their father, frank, um,he's played by Danny Devido. Okay, okay, I don't know any of thisB'cause he's not in the first season, and I was too disgusted to keep lookingyeah, so he's played behind Danny Tovito. He doesn't come in until seasontwo, but he's just kind of awful as the rest of them. If not worse, hebasically will step on anyone to get what he wants and he's just a selfishperson. SETHAT's that's main cast for you, that's awful! Okay, so I mean I was thinking we could gothrough each episode and just say all the things wrong with it, and I thinkthat's the only way to go about this really. So I don't. This is the one episode Ididn't write the name down for it. The gale would get to racist Yep, theganget races. Okay, so, like I feel like that title initself, just really sets the tone for the whole show likethat's your pilot really. So, basically, it's just kind of showing the bar andeverything decomes in with this, or she says that she's bringing a guy overthat she met at her acting class and it when he walks in it's a black manand all her friends and brother, I'm JS Goin tocall my friends Um they're. They all freak out and they'relike wow, we weren't expecting you to be black, like how Oh, my God and very messed up, it's just really uncomfortable and wellF. to watch like they're, not they're, also uncomfortable, but because he'sblack and it's like it's awful and his name is Turrell and he's m like a barbpromoter, so heoffer somehow they get past all of that M and he offers to promote their bar forthem, because they're bared US terribly because it's an awful bar and they'reawful people and the the show kindaf like jumped around 'cause of all theirstories, but Um Charlie's, also in love with this girl who's, a waitress who's,plise, Caroline and new girl. Oh that's how I know her yeah she's got brownhair though so like she, she looks very different and they're at this rush. Well at th, her cafe a restaurantor whatever, and while they're there they're talkingabout how weird they all acted with trel at the bar and then Charlie justgoes ahead and, like casually says the Nword like with a hard Ar and not that eitherways okay yeah and the the waitress girl like hears him,say that and is like just like no, which is kind of like. Oh, maybe thingsare kind of OK like she's, an okay character, but then they just decidethat they're going to go or Charlie Mac decide to go to like the University ofPenn or something or temple. I don't know and they're going to go, find ablack girl for Charlie to date to prove that they're, not racist, which is justdisgusting, and I mean at the same time it turns that thou turns out that Trellis gay and he promoted the bar to all their gay friends and they're. Only Ok with it when Denis is every thinks Denis is cute andhe's kind of exploiting them for tit money, and I don't know Max, says some really racist things and d tells Mac to get Charlie or Dennisdrunk so that he doesn't want it to keep being a gay bar like they're, likepretend that he's sleeping se slept with these two men and D forces herselfone to Trell, becauseshe doesn't know he's gay and it's just like no. She knows that he's gay and whe'slike trying to confirm it MHM, and it's like in the span of twenty three minutes. You did all of these awful things. I'mKinda like shaking talking about it, 'cause, I'm angry. Like that's thefirst episode, I don't. I don't understand how anyone could be like...

...even like there's no social commentaryin this, like maybe in some of the laterepisodes I can kind of see where they're getting it. But in this episodeit's just blatant racism and Hoophobia, and it's just disgusting. Iagree with you. I definitely was so put off by this episode. I was honestlysurprised that so many people know me and have recommended thes show to me and, like don't see, why, like like someone, who's, never seen itbefore com in from like a zlenial perspective, whateverything that thatis funny, and it would be one thing if this were social commentary, and thesejokes were written by Umminorities, but coming on with the facts here in twosenty eighteen, the show wasunder fire for having a white writer's room Um. So at that point there wereone hundred and thirty four episodes, and only three of those episodes werewritten by a woman, and only two of them were two episodes were written bya person of color. So it's not as though the people whothese jokes are about are the people writing them. It's white men, like I, don't like if you're going to try topass off these jokes as social using airclotes social commentary at leasthave your writers B, represented like I, it doesn't does not compute inmy brain, it's yeah. I IV I feel like when they were writingthese episodes. It was just like I don't know. I felt like the fact that they were coming up withthese things to talk about. They were just like. I don't know I it's just really concidering thatpeople would write a show like this and it just it makes it even worse. Knowingthat it's just white people writing the show- and I don't know have you ever-had someone who's, not a white man recommend the show to you before. I Ihaven't I'm happy to say no one's everrecommended this show to me before, but I also tend to not talk to people. Oh my God like I don't have any like Pr. I'm stereotyping her, but Idon't have any FRAT guy friends really. I don't interact like I have my small group offriends and ofmy SMOGO ofends, three of them work at the Center forGenera equity at my school, and I think that says something about liketheir political stance and there vew on the world idon'know I feellike the show was made for white boys who say they have a quonaqu dark senseof humor that to make jokes o Oul the Holopaust or slavery, like you can'tjust say you have a dark sense of humor or that you're being satirical and thenjust insult a whole group of people yethis, like I don't honestly like we shouldn't give this show that muchtime so because at least in my pink, that's sobad. So I'm hoping n keep this episode Short Noi'm, like I'm, not telling you tolike speed up. I'm saying like I just Le Youn just talking about it, makes meangry. I know I have like three thousand words oflike everything that I wrote down. Like all my feelings, when I was watchingthis show and like obviously I'm not going to like- I don't don't even usehalf the notes that I write, but it's just funny how like how many words thatI have to say. I I had less and less as the show went on, not because like it didn't it made me less angry oranything I had less because I wanted to like. I couldn't comprehend it. Iwould like what I was writing. I was like how was this a show yeah, so so too too. Li e. can you believe allthat happened an episode one Um episode too was titled Charle Once inAbortion, and from that Title I was like. Oh, I know where this entire showwas going. Um, basically Charlie, finds out that he might have a child from a girl. He was with inhigh school or like right before college and basically Mac was like.Well,...

...you shouldae told her to get anabortion or whatever and they're trying to talk about how Charlie has would have had the right to have a say in that and then ds kind of trying to say like no, it'sher choice and she tries to like counter their argument, but like justKinda, gives up right away until they go to this protest at in abortion clinic bell, nonn abortionclinic it's Um, it's a paren plan parenhood. I think M and there's two sides: There's the PRlife, approchoice and basically Mac, and I think it's Dei yeah macandenis. Theytig along with D, but they only go to try and hook up with girls like findhot girls at this protest, which is disgusing in itself, and they start off on the pro choice side.And then all the girls are like Youre disgusting. So then they just decide togo over to the Pro Lif side to find some other girls and like Mac sleeps with one of the people in charge over there. And thenshe like, confronts him and and is like Oh like it's a Muracle, I'm pregnantand then he's like, even though he says he's conservativelike you can tell he's like conservative when that happens, he'slike o. You have to get an abortion and it's just disgusting. I don't know whatelse to say. Yeh. I thought that this episode was alittle bit more clear when it comes to like who the jokes are at the expenseof like. Obviously they are at the expenseof the dumb boys for not for just like all of their actions. So I thought thisone was a little bit better than the last one um there weren't any racialslers or a wholphobia from what I saw but um yeah. I just thought that thisone was a little bit better in my opinion, because it it shows like howstupid some people are when it comes to stuff like that, and so for that reason,like I wasn't as offended by this one, I guess it like. I don't know they're still like sexism and everything, but I think maybe it could be funny if they tried to be outlandish like really over thetop with these things, but it's so real in a way that it's not funny inany way like. I don't even know if it could be funny if they really like,went out with it. But it's like this could like be a realthing. Yeah and like that, it's scary, I don't know, I think it's Kindof,scary and weird I mean I think it's they do get themselves in like aridiculous situation where Dennis is literally climbing over thefence to the other Um aborse rally and they start throwing eggs at him. Ithink the situation that they get into is a bit like ridiculous and kind oflike crazy, but at the same time these are opinions that women here everysingle day about abortion, and it's usually men voicing these opinions, andso that's why I think it kind of S. I guess it shined a light on um like how it sounds as a woman to hearthese things and to hear the the hipocrisy coming from. But did a woman write this? I don't know, I don't know which whichtwo episodes were written by women, but I didt think it was funny when d says to Mac Um. So Mac was talking about how he is ananti abortionist and how he he thinks it's like murder or whatever, and it'sup to God and she says Um, but aren't you right wingers for the death penaltyyeah. I thought that onwas good. This writing. Oh that's disgusting! So thewriting credit go to rob mcelenie, who was Mac, MHM Charlie,who was Charlie and Glen Howarton. I don't know whothat is, it might be: Denist Yeah Yeah, it's Donis, okay, so they wrote this mthey're like the mainwriters of the show concerning okay, yeah but Um, so that was that was always sunny covering...

...abortion. T E topic that still very relevant today. Yeah, that's true. I mean it's like weird, how it's stillrelevant. I guess MHM M Yeah, so mowe thought have a subb episode. Three, I titled UnderageDrinking, a national concern. Um Jom! You explain this Ong Ge. So basically the bar is packed on a random Fridaynight, which is bizarre because no one ever comes to their bar and theyrealize that it's all under age, kids, and instead of you, know, asking to seeall their IDs like beefing up on security. They decide to make it a amusing air clothes here, save havenfor underaged kids to drink, but really it's just so they can make money andwater down. The drinks and D is totally against it because she doesn't want toexploit children, but then, at the same time she meets a guy at the bar, a highschool boyd Um and they start dating Um and it kind of they're trying to kindof a I. It runs parallel with how they were in high school, likeapparently, Denis was a popular kid in high school, but only because he hookedup with freshmen. So you can see the the small insinuations of how he treatswomen yeah and they ike casually just bring up stacitory rape, a lot yeahAthen. You Have Charlie who's, the class clown and Mac who sold weed Umand so, at the same time, um a girl comes onto Denis and tells him thatshe's, eighteen and then de is dating a boy in her class Um. Then hero Tarlia, maccir, sniffin Glu.They do that at one point, Yehit was weird M and so a a girl, a girl fromthe Bar, is having people over and she invites macin Charlie, but only so theycan get a keg for her and so de end up being at this party too, and so they're,all at this party, full of underaged, kids, high schoolers and degoes to theparty to like be with her boyfriend- and she says something before thatalong the lines of like Oh, like you, make me, feel so safe and then I'venever stagatory rape, someone before which is pretty like awful to just likethrow in there there's, definitely a better way. You could have gone outgone with telling the point and then they all wake up in the house. The nextday after the party and everyone was asked to prom except Mac kindo likehigh school m, and then they all decide that they're not going to go to proe,but then Dennis gets black mailed by the girl from before into going to prom,Arun Umand. So Denis has to go to promp. So they all decide to go to prom and Dis in her dress from like what the early nineties, yeah and she's likeblackout, drunk and H, comes on in this flopping, all over the high school boy,and so disgusting Ds. Yet dese guy gets jealous of Denis's girl because they'rexes and they ended up making out and ditching them and Charliey's the onlyone who goes to prom with a high schooler soshe must have been likeshe looked younglke she's, probably an adult playing it, but like she lookedyoung for an adult, so I feel like she was probably supposed to be likesixteen, maybe yeah. It was really annoying and gross yeah, butyeah so M. Yes, so that tackles Petphelia for Yoa. Well, actually, nothat doesn't cover all of it. They they go on to another episode and talk aboutit again. So yeah. What are your thoughts on that episode?One thing I was thinking was how wis this school? Okay with this yeah, likeI know like like at Urs, we you had to get your dato prove, but even like, I, I think, from what I've heard likeat public schools even more strict, or at least it can be, but like at any school, someone was like yeah,even if they lied about their age and they showed it with someone who lookedto be thirty years old. How would they be allowed in? I knowlikwhy does Charlie get to go like. Why...

...does Charlie get Ledin? I don't I don'tunderstand it doesn't make sense to me honestly. The schools at fall here wi mean. What is the point of thisepisode like? What are they trying to teach us because yeah, I don'tknow. Thelesson went right over my head. Are we supposed to like? Are we supposed to criticize theAmerican Public School System, because not getting that from this episode like? Are we supposed to look out for thewarning signs of a serial Rafist? I don't know 'cause, it was there and weall caught it and they thought it was funny. I don't know I don't know honestly it makes it. The show like makes it seem like this is OK yeah,like there weren't any horrible repercussions for their actions like if,if this episode ended with one of them going to jail, I would have been finewith this episode, because then we would have learned a lesson likedemonly stayed there and then the show ended. Yeah O, don't Hook up with highschoolers. How about that one, but no there weren't any repercussionsfor their action, so didn't, learn anything yeah and that theme of no repercussionscontinues throughout the next four episodes. So episode, four is titled, Charle MightHave Cancer emphasis on the might and not the HAB. So basically, it's like Dennis goesover to Charle's apartment. To get a basketball, Charlie has been aircot, crying whihhe may as well beencrying. I don't know, but he says that he might have cancer and Denis, like is like Oare ye O K and then couldn'tcare less or couldn't couldn't care less. I say they wrong all the time they couldn't care less and it justlike so where's a basketball like what a terrible friend and therest of them when Dennis goes to tell them they're like oh he'R, just goingto lose all his hair. That's the only thing they care about. They don't careabout like helping him like the first thing. That's on heir mind is how's. Hegoing to look withou his hair and Denis, like tells him that Oh he was there andhe like was there for Charlie fur like they sat for hours while he was cryinglike he wasn't there at all. He just cared about his basketball Max says something disgussing. I didn'twrite it down Um and then, oh, that's. What happens.Yeis is the episode Groth. This is the episode where they just make fun oftranspeople and kind of try to imply that they're fredatory or I don't. I don't know the word for because it's it's just wrong like what they'retrying to do, and I don't even want to say it like it's just disgusting El I feel like you should give context. I can talk about if you wan, no so like so Mac sees Tus this woman at the barshe's playing pool or something and he's talking to her until he goes backover to Denis and T I don't know who's there. I guess projess Dennis and D and they're like Oh yeah, that's someone's cousin, she's, transgender waitnever. Once didthey call her by her appropriate gender yeah. They always call her him and they don't say transgender. They give her Droud Toisler, which I'mnot going to say and then wow Mac macaslike, not oky with it but kind. I don't I don't know. This part was like alittle weird. I think maybe they're trying to imply that he's gay with. Idon't know now that you said hat m like is that what they were trying to do,MHM, which I don't know Um, so she this this woman. I don't rememberher name. Her name was Carmen Carmin, okay, she has not had genderreassignment surgery yet and not everyone wants that and that's that's. Okay, that's not like a stepwhere they can't afford it. Like that's fine. She actually ends up getting itlater in the show, but just fun: Okay,...

...okay, I so yeah well at this point. She hasn't hadgenerarly assignment surgery and they tend to show her grabbing like whenever Mac like goesaway or comes back like I don't. I don't really know why they do this, but she grabs her penis like it's just like in her skintight Jens like it. It doesn't really make sense like I the way they do it. I don't anyway t they show that manytimes to be funny, and it's not funny. No there's also like a subplot of DS,acting friend, who is a a heavier woman. She like lost her job and she triesdetries to get her job at the the bar and they make fun of herbecause, like he won't give her the job, becauseshe's heavier pretty much and Charlie doesn't have cancwer. He was just usingit to get a girl yep, the waitress from before, actually yeah.He 'cause he's in love with her. What's also really awful about that wholestoryline with charlieand. The waitress is that she, throughout the show endsup like going back to her alcoholism. She files multiple S, restrainingorders against him and she also loses several jobs because of him. Yep Dogare barking yeah, so that ends up happening, which kind of sucks welldoesn't kind of suck. That's awful yeahone positive thing. I guess aboutthis episode- is that like there are repercussions for actions like Mac accidentally punchesCarmen in the face, and these these guys around them are like that's tohate crime and start chasing him, and he ends up getting punched in the face,so he deserved it, which is just well dePunches Hem in the face Oshe does yeah 'cause del, like has always wanted topunch in the face because he punched her in the face at one point. Well, heendes up getting punched in the Fath yeah, so geneally and Charlie kind of ruined his shotwith a girl, so yeah reat moving on Um. Oh, this is the only episode Iactually thought was funny. The next one yeah, Oh emen, you go ahead. I didkind of think this one was good, so the plot. Well, it's called gun fever andtackles gun control Um, so we're off to a good start already,because this isn't about a group of people. It's about GOI, that's true! Yes, so Um! Basically, someone broke into pattiesthe bar that they work at and stole they're safe and they decide to by agone, because you know that'sthe vogical thing to do. onybeing, sarcastic Kese you couldn't tell andthe police do absolutely nothing um it jus kind of like when I was robbed. Thepolice did nothing Um. So it does kind of say somethingabout the police, which is which is good and makes astatement and D is dating this guy, who wants to sleep with everybartender in town, and it turns out that a bunch of safes were stolen intown. So you kind of know from the very beginning of the episode that he's theone that h is going in and breaking into all these places. So D is verymuch against them. Buying a gun until her new guy says that it sexy like onceagain D is playing the I'm better than you, I'm Y. I have higher morals than you do,but of course it's the woman yeah, but ends up flotfopping and doing the exactsame thing that they do um and so at the same time Charlie needs to payhis rent, and so then, Oh okay, so charley needs to pay hisrent M, because it's late M and macandenis bought a gun and or playingwith it and Charlie comes in and plays with it. Two and then Charlie brings the gun to his apartment to scare hislandlord, so he doesn't have to pay rent. So he thinks that this gun islike doing wonders for him and D is...

...shooting a gun for the first time withher guy and meanwhile, of all that's happening, Denis and Macere, trying tosolve the case m. So they take the gun. Back from Charlie and assume it's a guy,that D is dating and they try to trick him into robbing patties twice, butthey find out that he is always carrying a gun. So D, Mac Dennis andDenis are all waiting appates for the robber and at that point, Charlie comesin and tries to rob the bar, and so they shoot him in the head and it justgrazes him, but they soft to take him to the hospital and they're all arguingover the gun and Whosha who and whose fault it is, and they decide to keepthe gun in the end because they're stupid Um. But I thought that there were two funnyquothes from this. This episode, which is Um, let's be rational. We need to buy a gun,wh H, yeah, I thought was pretty funny and then they also said M. clearly, Philly's finest doesn't give ashit which I also et all was funny. Well, I guess we have our options for quotes for the episode. I don't really have anything on thisone I just kind of was like these. People are the reason we needmore gun lalls in this country yeah. But that's the point yeah. I guess thisone. This one worked yeah this one was more like this. Onewas crystal clear on who I's making fun of yeah, I mean I yeah Yeah Yeah Ye, okay, thenext one isn't great. No, this one is not great, so episode. Six is called the gang finda dead guy and basically they come in the next morning orlike amorning and there's a man who seems asleep but he's actually ehe died. It doesn't notimportant how or why, but basically, this man's granddaughtercomes in and its like. I just wanted to see where he spent his loss last night and all the guys try to getwith her, because they're terrible people um and at the same time d realizes thatshe doesn't want to lose her grandfather before getting o spendingmore time with him, because she hasn't seen him in a while she's freaked outby old people, which is like and like ridiculously freaked out. It's justlike Kinda like all right, like that's enough Um and she can't even get into the room withhim she's, just like so grossed out, but charliey had gone with her and butit's D and Denis's grandfather, and he thinks that Charlie's Denis. So heasked him to go, get something that he wants to be buried in, and it turns out that, what's in this boxthat he want him to get, is a Nazi uniform and like a picture of him in the Nazi uniform, and it's just like the whole thing is Charlie kindo trying it on and and thenthey try to sell it and the museum they try to sell to is likeI'm going to call a cops like. Why would you say this is like the way theyphrased it? They were like. You need this in your museum. This is importantbut like important as like. We are also Nazi like it was like veryweird Um and basically charlie ends up keeping the hat from the uniform andyeah yeah. In this episode. The grandfatheralso uses the casller which, like I don't think I've ever heard, spokenaloud before, especially on TV yeah, in fact that all of these slowers werejust casually used on TV, a like whatstation would allow this MHM. That was one of the moments where I was more soshocked than checking my privilege, you know is Yeaif it's a social commentary.I should not be shocked. I should be thinking deeply about my privilege, butI was not couldn't get over the fact that they said that word and socasually too. I, like literally gasped, when I heard it. I don't know why, like who has the show on. I feel likewith like everything that, like people are like uncovering things. You knowlike like seeing all these things that people have done e wrong over the yearsand some have grown from some havenit like.Why is this show available for anyone...

...to watch like m? I think like it could maybe be Okyif they at least bleep out the slers like at a minimum, but it's just like. Why do you have this? Well, it's funny that you bring that upbecause they were under fire this summer, because there are a lot ofepisodes where they use blackface, but, oh, like I think, that's why they weredropped by Netflex and taken to Holoo, I'm not a hundred Percentsur on thatone but um they use black face in a significant amount of episodes, at'sAwn just once, and they use it even as late as thosand andthirteen well. So that's just crazy to thinkthat that that was on TV in o thousand and thirteen but um the solution thatthey came up to for this was to just take all of the episodes where they useblack face out, but at the same time, did no one catch. This isn't yes, almost as bad, if not the same. Likeyeah straight of saying the ENWARD TE K word a slur for transgender people likeare you kidding me like why wold? Why? Wouldn't you take that out too? Whoknows what else theenser there to yeah? And it's just at hat point: Does yourquotquote social commentary become an excuse for you to make jokes about people like minorities and people of other religions, M and races engenders? I don't know, I don't know how I keep saying that I know but, like Idon't know how this will ever show mhm that, likepeople would tune in regularly to watch. You know yeah, it's not like it's anetflike series or something that's all postit, all at once. It's somethingthat they had good enough ratings for fifteen seasons, like that's kind of I don't know concerning to meand also like, if you're moving to Holloo M, and you realize that yourshow has evolved into becoming a more accepting show and a show that doesn't shock people like that with horrificthings to say, if you're moving to who you candefinitely edit the show Um and take out some of the parts where it could really hurt someone orhonestlyl. I don't think that these episodes really really like define them as characterlike it does to me like they're awful people, that's what it defined them asto me, but I think they could probably get rid of this season like take it offentirely, and I don't think you would lose anything from the show. MHM Yeahecause it. I don't know these characters are kind of one dimensionaland that's like the point there's supposed to be kind of one dimentionalso like why we need. Why do we need that? Ando, like I was going to say like also even ifit's, even if it's meant to be satirical using words like that, stillnormalizes it and Um invalidating transgenter people? Even if it'ssupposed to be a joke, it still does and imagine being someone who, like falls intothese categories, that they're making fun of as a social commentary like B.I'm sorry but like like watching this from a whitesisgender woman's perspective like I'm still offended and I'm not evenaffected by most of these jokes. So I can only imagine how hurt thecommunities that they talk about would be with curing this and seeing thisyeah. so that's opposite Ti, there's Omer episode in the season andthen we'll never talk about it again, except for whatever learn has to bringup and then we're never talking about this again so episode, sevens called Charlie gotmolested Um. Basically, these two boys from their middle school Um, went to the police and said thattheir gym teacher had touchd them as as young children andthat there were probably more victims m and basically the whole friend groupthinks that Charlie was one of these people that was molested by theirteacher and they make light of it. The whole time andMac even goes to Thi Teacher's house and is dressed in really short shortsand its like. Why didn't you molest me like why you should've like? Why wasn'tI good enough, and it's like it ends up...

...that these two men were lying and they were just doingit to get money which is not oky. You don't joke aboutthat. You don't like just like do that to someone and Charlie eventually goes and they so charlies, all their friends, go toCharley's family and tells them that this happened to him, even though theyhave no idea if it did and they tri to stage an intervention and then they're basically like well, you need to go to the police andand tell them so those two guys that made this up go to the Poli stationwith him, because they are going to blackmail him and say Ike.If he didn't and like told the plice that he was lyingor that they were lying, they would say it was all his idea or something theycan throw him under the bus insead. So when they go to the policestationcharliey kind of rats them all out Um- and I I I don't really know what happens tothem- I guess they go to jail or I d. don't I don't reallyknow, but like it's clear that Charlie's upset about this situation, I we don'treally ever find out why, at least from what I could understand, but yeah, I think that's kind of mostlyepisode. They just make fun of kids who were abused by their teachers Y. This episode too well. Actually thisone and the one before made me realize how much of a repoff shameless is ofthe show Odo you watch Ameles. I did, but Idon't know what you're talking about well. So in one of the episodes, Oh, I forget his name, which it's a Dee's husband D, ymnv D, Not thed the these husband.What's his name, I don't know oomoving it Okevin. How could I be so dumb ohead,so in one of the episodes of shameless M, a bunch of kids from like Kevin'sbasketball team come out as like saying that they're coach, like abuse some as kids andKevin, wasn't and so the whole time he was wondering why he wasn't chosen. Imean the one thing this episode does is teach us like they kind of throw insome like lessons there, like you, shouldn't, stag, an intervention whenyou suspect that someone, you know has been through something traumatic likethat. They also say like they also teach us that Pedophelia is more aboutpower than attraction, so that was okay. Like learning about that and charlydoes say like there are people who have actually been molested, you guys aregoing to exploit that for your own personal gain, which isn't that whatthe show as doing but Yep um se. So I mean I see where the lessonis there, but also at the same time I feel like there is a better way ofgoing about it than how they did. I just like. I don't think anything likemakes up for it. You know MHM yeah so like was there anything that or any way that this show evolved fromwhat you've seen well, I didn't have time to atelallfourteen seasons, but I did see some of the the episodes that I referenced,such as, like the one in t e season, five, where Dennis talks about thedenist method, Um and then the one in seasons, six wherehe makes women feel threatened, so they so we didn't like evvall a devolved. No, I mean in some ways like well, I guess,honestly in twenty thirteen, if they were doing black fase still like. Ididn't see all the episodes, but it kind of stays the same almost, but I don't think they say theNWORD again. Well, that's good yeah, and when Mac comes out, there isn't really ajoke. It's just like it's him like dancing doing like a a a contemporarydance. I think ONA. So there wasn't a joke which is good. It wasn't like theywere trying to make it like something, that's funny, because it's od SI mean I basically talked about like Isprinkled in everything I was going to say throughout ihold this, but I didhave like one more point to bring up...

...wis Um, like I realize that this show is supposed tobe a social commentarian supposed to be sterical like where the actors areawful. People who say like racist, homophobic, sexis, sogenistic things ado pace, repercussions for theiractions like most of the time but um it kind of like normaizes, makingcomments like that and passing them off as a joke, because it's not atransgender people, making the joke or black people, making the joke. It'swhite, SIS, gender, males and one girl talking about like race issues, rape and other things,and so I don't know I feel, like it normalizes like white men to to say those things almost in Pasmothas,dark, humor, yeah, no you're, absolutely right. I am not glad to have watched this Um. I hope e gets taken off of Hulu son, atleast the episodes tat we watched and hopefully all the other incredibly badones. I mean not to end on a bad review. I don't think there's any other way toend this one yeahno, I felt sad. I mean we will definitely pick something better fornext week. I don't think we can get any worse than this. I think that's apositive, Yeah Alto. Anyone who suggested this show tome. Why would you think that I would enjoy this? I hope none of you ever to recommendthi show to anyone yeah. No, I will long be recommendingthis. Anyone O, I don't. I know you won't. I just mean anyone who'slistening yeah. Well, if you want to recommendbetter shows to us, we greatly greatly appreciate it. Um Etan check us out on facebook andinsagreement how we never podcast and ontwitter a how have we never as wellas on you tube, if you just sear Chou. We never seen this before we're onthere as well. I think that's it I'd like to say one last thing: Goahead, Om if you made it this far to te Efeso Um. I just want to say h, thank God. Our demographic is notstraight white men. That is true. Thank you. appreciated. We'll see you next week, acongratulations wo man it'sto the endof our pogest. We hope we enjoyd listening. How have we never seen thisbefore is produced by Isbel Ron? The music is by Scott homes. The poncastart is by Michael Beoumont over at monitor comics, and our social media iswon by Lawrancola. Thanks for listening.

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