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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 2, Episode 4 · 1 year ago

Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia: "Clearly, Philly's Finest Doesn't Give A S***."

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In Season 2 Episode 4, Isabel and Lauren discuss Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

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Before going into this episode, wejust wanted to give a quick trigger warning because we talked about slurs, rape, pedophilia and a lot of other things that can be pretty touchy subjects.It is kind of the nature of this show, but we thought we wouldgive this warning before anyone would listen. So with that, we can justget right into the episode. Hi Everyone, and welcome back to how we neverseen this before? In this week's episode, we watched it's always sunnyin Philadelphia. Join us as we analyze what makes a social commentary and whenit can go too far. This is a podcast where two best friends talkabout movies they've never seen before. I'm Isabel and I'm Lauren, and thisis how have we never seen this before? Hello, everyone, and welcome toseason two, episode four. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. I don'tknow where to begin. I like, yeah, that's how I feel.We're off to a great start. So this show came out in two thousandand five and I just need to say like, because I saw that itcame out then, I was like, HMM, this might be problematic,but I was like, let's just go with it. I feel like it'llbe fine. Boy, was I wrong? Yeah, anything to say. Well, I guess the reason why I wanted to watch this show this week, Um, was because every white boy I know in college says it's thefunniest show they've ever seen. That that was my first mistake right there.But, um, I figured we give it a shot because they're like,you're from Philly and you've never seen it's always sunny, like what's wrong withyou? Like, I don't know why I didn't have Hulu until now,like sorry, but now that I'm Hulu, we can talk about it and watchit, and boy do I have some thoughts on it. Like afterthe first three minutes of the show, I was like maybe this is likethe office the first season. The office's probably just as problematic as this,maybe a little less, but like, I think a little less. Yeah, it's just like the fact that even the titles are so problematic, likeI don't understand how this show was ever. Okay, I mean from this firstseason and the first episode is just really concerning that this is something thatpeople call like the funniest show ever. It's just like great, and wedo also realize that this show is definitely a social commentary, but at thesame time, it feels as though the writers are trying to be more shockingthan actually teaching a lesson. Like there are parts in it that shock me. Like I gasped when I heard the n word, the K word,when I heard a trance a slur for Trans People, like it was disgustingand I don't know, it just shocked me. It didn't make me understandanything or like question my privilege those parts. Definitely, other parts of the showdid, but not the parts where they would just straight up say aslur. Yeah, it's just like and none of the characters, at leastfrom what I really saw, had any redeeming qualities, like even the maingirl. I felt like she was they were trying to have her as theliberal person in the group, but she also just kind of accepts all theirpoor judgments and unacceptable behavior just because they're her friends and her brother. It. It's just I don't know, I never want to watch it. Yeah, well, I guess we should just don't know, before we get liketoo far into it, we should probably introduce like the basic premise of theshow. Yeah, so basically, at least for the first season, becauseI know Danny de beaters in the show, but he's not in the first seasonat all. It's this group of four friends and two of them,Charlie and Dennis, own it. Does...

Matt Own it too? Yeah,okay, the three guys, Charlie, Dennis and Mac, all own thisbar together in south Philly and it's kind of just about their life working andowning the bar. It's kind of unsuccessful unless they have people kind of comein to help them. But the way there helped is like not great,like I don't know. It will explain it in the episodes, but that'skind of the just that I got from the first season of it. Idon't know anything else to add to that. I mean, no, not really. That it took place and it takes place in Philadelphia and I did. That's all I'm clearly she wasn't paying attention to me. No, Iwas, but I was also looking through my notes. Um, yes,so we have the past. Now I guess we'll get into it. Wehave MAC. Mac is kind of a more conservative person. He definitely isright wing and he makes it known unless something else helps him, like lesssomething else is in his favor, and that happens in the second episode yeah, politically, he kind of he does whatever suits him best, not others. Yeah, everyone in the shows like pretty selfish. But Um, tosay the least, he's also selfish and throughout the whole show. You don'treally get much of this in the first season, but as time progresses hekind of is at the butt of a lot of gay jokes and the writersinsinuate that he's gay throughout the show. Huh, yes, and so,Um, the last episode of season thirteen he actually comes out and it's likea touching moment. Is that they're supposed to like make up for everything?was that kind of what they were trying to do? Those are my thoughts. Like, Matt comes out as gay kind of like at the after beingat the butt of so many homophobic jokes or also like saying so many homophobicthings, but it doesn't take away like all of the other offensive jokes thathe said, like he's incredibly racist and sexist and just, yeah, terrible. Yeah, but he comes out as gay. So that is Mac andthen we have Charlie. He's short and gets angry a lot and raises hisvoice and he kind of reminds me of a more unlikable Nick Miller. Okay, okay, I can see that. Like I wonder if Nick Miller's characterwas based at all off of Charlie. Nick Miller so much better than Charlie, I know, but it kind of like the bartender who always gets angry. Is kind of gross, not the brightest, but Charlie does terrible thingstoo. I know Charlie does awful things. The thing is about these characters isthat the second you think that they might like do something like a goodperson would do, they always go the wrong way, which is where thesocial commentary part comes in, I guess. And then you have Diandra. Herfriends call her sweet D and She is the bar tender at the bar. She doesn't own it, but she's always there and kind of treats thebar like it's her own. And I guess her thing is that she isdefinitely like the more liberal person of the group, but is still an awfulperson and she she will always like make a point to kind of her Iwant to say this. She'll always make a point to criticize her her friendsand her brother for doing the exact same thing that she ends up doing inthe end. Yeah, so she makes it seem like she's a better person, but she thought. Yeah. So then you have her brother, Dennis. He is an owner of the bar throughout the show. You don't reallyget this much in the first season, but he becomes like he does.He doesn't become he admits, kind of through context clues, that he isa serial rapist and he just treats women terribly more than the others, whichis hard to do. What. Yeah, I'm sorry, he's a serial rapists. Yeah, so he does this thing where he when he hooks upwith women, he makes it he makes the location something where they would feeluncomfortable saying no, like on a boat. That's disgusting. Yeah, he alsohas this thing called the Dennis method, the Dennis method, where he likeemotionally manipulates a woman or woman it's...

...like falling in love with him andhating him, Oh my God. Yeah, so he kind of sucks and he'lllike do anything to sleep with women. And then you have their father,frank. He's played by Danny de Vito. He okay, okay,I don't know any of this because he's not in the first season and Iwas too disgusted to keep looking. Yeah, so he's played by Danny de Vito. He doesn't come in until season two, but he's just kind ofhis awful as the rest of them, if not worse. He basically willstep on anyone to get what he wants and he's just a selfish person.So yeah, that's that's the main cast for you. That's awful. Okay. So, I mean, I was thinking we could go through each episodeand just say all the things wrong with it, and I think that's theonly way to go about this really. So I don't the this is theone episode I didn't write the name down for. It the get it getsracist. Yep, the gang gets races. Okay. So, like I feellike that title and itself just really sets the tone for the whole show, like that's your pilot really. So basically it's just kind of showing thebar and everything. D comes in with this or she says that she's bringinga guy over that she met at her acting class and it when he walksin, it's a black man, and all her friends and brother, I'mjust gonna call them all friends. They're they all freak out and they're likewow, we weren't expecting you to be black, like how, Oh myGod um and very messed up. It's just really uncomfortable and well to watch. Like they're not. They're also uncomfortable, but because he's black and it's likeit's awful, and his name is Terrell and he's like a bar promoter. So he offered. Somehow they get past all of that and he offersto promote their bar for them because their bard is terribly because it's an awfulbar and they're awful people and the show kind of like jumps around because ofall their stories. But Charlie's also in love with this girl who's a waitress, who's please caroline in new girl. Oh, that's how I know her. Yeah, she's got brown hair though, so like she she looks very different. And they're at this rush, well, at the her cafe orrestaurant or whatever, and while they're they're they're talking about how weird they allacted with Tarrell at the bar, and then Charlie just goes ahead and likecasually says the n word, like with a hard ore and not that eitherways. Okay, yeah, and they the waitress girl like he hears himsay that and is like just like no, which is kind of like, oh, maybe things are kind of okay, like she's an o Kay character,but then they just decide that they're going to go, or Charlie Macdecide to go to like the University of pen or something, or temple,I don't know, and they're going to go find a black girl for Charlieto date to prove that they're not racist, which is just disgusting, and Imean at the same time it turns that thout. Turns out that Tarrellais gay and he promoted the bar to all their gay friends and they're onlyokay with it when Dennis is everyone thinks Dennis is cute and he's kind ofexploiting them for tip money and I don't know, Max says some really racistthings and d tells Mac to get Charlie or Dennis drunk so that he doesn'twant it to keep being a gay bar. Like they're like pretend that he's sleeping. He slept with these two men, and D forces herself into Terrell becauseshe doesn't know he's gay, and it's just like no, she knowsthat he's gay and she's like trying to confirm it. And then it's like, in the span of twenty three minutes. You did all of these awful things. I'm kind of like shaking talking about it because I'm angry. Likethat's the first episode. I don't I don't understand how anyone co could belike even like there's no social commentary in...

...this like maybe in some of thelater episodes I can kind of see where they're getting at, but in thisepisode it's just blatant racism and Homophobia and it's just disgusting. I agree withyou. I definitely was so put off by this episode. I was honestlysurprised that so many people know me and has have recommended this show to beand like don't see why I, like, like someone who's never seen it before, coming in from like a zelennial perspective, would ever think that thatis funny. And it would be one thing if this were social commentary andthese jokes were written by minorities. But coming in with the facts here,in two thousand and eighteen the show was under fire for having a white writersroom. So at that point there were a hundred and thirty four episodes andonly three of those episodes were written by a woman and only two of themwere. Two episodes were written by a person of color. So it's notas though the people who these jokes are about are the people writing them.It's white men, like, I don't like. If you'RE gonna try topass off these jokes as social I'm using air closes social commentary, at leasthave your writers be represented. Like it doesn't, does not compute in mybrain. It's yeah, I I've I feel like when they were writing theseepisodes, it was just like, I don't know, I felt like thefact that they were coming up with these things to talk about. They werejust like, I don't know. I it's just really concerning that people wouldwrite a show like this and it just it makes it even worse knowing thatit's just white people writing the show. And I don't know, have youever had someone who's not a white man recommend the show to you before?I haven't. I'm happy to say no one's ever recommended the show to mebefore. But I also tend to not talk to people. Oh my God, like I don't have any like I'm stereotyping here, but I don't haveany rat guy friends. Really, I don't interact like I have my smallgroup of friends and of my small group of friends. Three of them workat the Center for Gender Equity at my school, and I think that sayssomething about like their political stance and their view on the world. I don'tknow, I feel like this show was made for white boys who say theyhave a, quote unquote, dark sense of humor and use that to makejokes about the Holocaust or slavery. Like you can't just say you have adark sense of humor or that you're being satirical and then just insult a wholegroup of people. Yeah, this like I don't honestly like we shouldn't givethe show that much time. So because, at least in my paint's so bad. So I'm hoping and keep this episode short. No, no,I'm just like I'm I'm not telling you to like speed up, I'm sayinglike I just like just talking about it makes me angry. I know Ihave like three thousand words of like everything that I wrote down, like allmy feelings when I was watching this show and like, obviously I'm not goingto like I don't don't even use half the notes that I write, butit's just funny how like how many words that I have to say. II had less and less as the show one on, not because like itdidn't it made me less angry or anything. I had less because I wanted tolike I couldn't comprehend it. I would like what I was writing.I was like how was this a show? Yeah, so episode two. Sotoo, like, can you believe all that happened in episode one?Episode two is titled Charlie Wants an abortion, and from that Title I was like, Oh, I know where this entire show is going. Basically,Charlie finds out that he might have a child from a girl he was within high school or like right before college, and basically Mac was like, well, you should have told her to...

...get an abortion or whatever, andthey're trying to talk about how Charlie has would have had the right to havea say in that, and then D's kind of trying to say like no, she it's her choice, and she tries to like counter their argument butlike just kind of gives up right away until they go to this protest atin abortion clinic, but not an abortion clinic, it's it's at plan parenthood, I think. And there's two sides. There's the pro life and pro choice, and basically Mac and I think it's dennet. Yeah, it's MACand Dennis. They tag along with D but they only go to to tryand hook up with girls, like find hot girls at this protest, whichis disgusting in itself, and they start off on the pro choice side andthen they're all the girls are like you're disgusting. So then they just decideto go over to the pro life side to find some other girls and likeMac sleeps with one of the people in charge over there and then she likeconfronts him and is like, Oh, I like it's a miracle, I'mpregnant, and then he's like, even though he says he's conservative, likeyou can tell he's like a conservative when that happens. He's like, okay, you have to get an abortion, and it's just disgusting. I don'tknow what else to say. Yeah, I thought that this episode was alittle bit more clear when it comes to like who the jokes are at theexpense of. Like obviously they're at the expense of the dumb boys, fornot for just like all of their actions. So I thought this one was alittle bit better than the last one. There weren't any racial slurs or homophobiafrom what I saw. But Um, yeah, I just thought that thisone was a little bit better, in my opinion, because it showslike how stupid some people are when it comes to stuff like that, andso for that reason, like, I wasn't as offended by this one.I guess it like I don't know, there's still like sexism and everything,but I think maybe it could be funny if they tried to be outlandish,like really over the top with these things, but it's so real in a waythat it's not funny in any way. I don't even know if it couldbe funny if they really like went out with it, but it's likethis could like be a real thing. Yeah, and I think that's scary. I don't know, I think it's kind of scary and weird. Imean I think it's they do get themselves in like a ridiculous situation where,Um, Dennis is literally climbing over the fence to the other abortion rally andthey start throwing eggs at him. I think the situation that they get intois a bit like ridiculous and kind of like crazy. But at the sametime these are opinions that women here every single day about abortion and it's usuallymen voicing these opinions, and so that's why I think it kind of Iguess it shined a light on um like how it sounds as a woman tohear these things and to hear the hipocrisy coming from that. But did awoman write this? I don't know. Oh, I don't know which,which two episodes were written by women, but I did think it was funnywhen d says to Mac, so Mac was talking about how he is ananti abortionist and how he he thinks it's like murder or whatever and it's upto God, and she says, Um, but aren't you right wingers for thedeath penalty? Yeah, I thought that one was good. This writing, Oh, that's disgusting. So the writing credit go to rob mcellenie,who is Mac m charlie, who is Charlie, and Glenn Howarton. Idon't know who that is. It might be Dennis. Yeah, yeah,it's Dennis. Okay, so they wrote this. HMM, they're like themain writers of the show's concerning okay, yeah, but so that was thatwas always sunny, covering abortion, a...

...topic that still very relevant today.Yeah, that's true. I mean it's like weird how it's still relevant,I guess. HMM, yeah, yeah, so movie got to episode three.Episode Three is titled Underage Drinking a national concern. Jow Me to explainthis one. Yeah, so basically the bar is packed on a random Fridaynight, which is bizarre because no one ever comes to their bar, andthey realize that it's all underage kids and instead of, you know, askingto see all their IDs, like beefing up on security, they decide tomake it a amusing air quotes here, safe haven for underage kids to drink. But really it's just so they can make money and water down the drinks. And D is totally against it because she doesn't want to exploit children.But then at the same time she meets a guy at the bar, highschool boy, and they start dating and it kind of they're trying to kindof it runs parallel with how they were in high school. Like apparently Denniswas a popular kid in high school, but only because he hooked up withfreshman. So you can see the small insinuations of how he treats women.Yeah, and they like casually just bring up statutory rape a lot. Yeah, and then you have Charlie who's the class clown, and Mac, whosold weed, and so at the same time, Um, a girl comeson to Dennis and tells him that she's eighteen, and then D is datinga boy in her class. Then her wrote, Charlie macker, stiff andglue. They do that at one point. Yeah, it's weird. Come andso a girl, a girl from the Bar, is having people overand she invites Mac and Charlie, but only so they can get the kegfor her. And so D ends up being at this party too. Andso they're all at this party full of underage kids, high schoolers, andD goes to the party to like be with her boyfriend and she says somethingbefore that along the lines of like Oh, like, you make me feel sosafe, and then I've never statutory rape someone before. She's pretty likeawful to just like throw in there. There's definitely a better way you couldhave gone out gone with telling the point. And then they all wake up inthe house the next day after the party and everyone was asked to promexcept Mac, kind of like high school. And then they all decide that they'renot going to go to prom. But then Dennis gets blackmailed by thegirl from before and to going to prom. Never run UM, and so Dennishas to go to prom. So they all decide to go to promand D is in her dress from like what, the early night, andNies, yeah, and she's like black out drunk and comes on less,flopping all over the high school boy and so disgusting. D's yeah, d'seguy gets jealous of Dennis's girl because their exes and they end up making outand ditching them. And Charlie's the only one who goes to prom with ahigh schooler. So she must have been like she looked young, like she'sprobably an adult playing it, but like she looked young for an adult.So I feel like she was probably supposed to be like sixteen, maybe.Yeah, it was really annoying and gross. Yeah, but yeah, so,um. Yeah, so that tackles had Philia for you. Well,actually, know, that doesn't cover all of it. They they go onto another episode and talk about it again. So, yeah, what are yourthoughts on that episode? One thing I was thinking was, how isthis school okay with this? Yeah, like, I know, like likeat our school you had to get your day to prove but even, likeI'm I think, from what I've heard, like at public schools even more strict, or at least it can be. But, like at any school,someone was like yeah, even if they lied about their age and theyshowed up with someone who looked to be thirty years old, how would theybe allowed in? I know, like why does Charlie get to go?Like, why does Charlie get let in?...

I don't I don't understand. Itdoesn't make sense to me. Honestly. The schools that fall here. Well, I mean, what is the point of this episode? Like whatare they trying to teach us? Because, yeah, I don't know, thelesson went right over my head. Are we supposed to like, arewe supposed to criticize the American Public School System? Because not getting that fromthis episode. Like are we supposed to look out for the warning signs ofa serial rapist? I don't know, because it was there and we allcaught it and they thought it was funny. I don't know, I don't know. Honestly, it makes it the show, like makes it seemed likethis is okay. Yeah, like there weren't any horrible repercussions for their actions. Like if this episode ended with one of them going to jail. Iwould have been fine with this episode, because then we would have learned alesson. Like done. They stayed there and then the show ended. Yeah, John, don't Hook up with high schoolers. How about that one?But no, there weren't any repercussions for their actions, so didn't learn anything. Yeah, and that theme of no we percussions continues throughout the next fourepisodes. So episode four is titled Charlie Might Have Cancer, emphasis on theMIC, and not to have so basically it's like Dennis goes over to Charlie'sapartment to get a basketball. Charlie has been air quotes crying, which hemight as well been crying, I don't know, but he says that hemight have cancer and Dennis like is like, Oh, are you okay? Andthen could care less or couldn't couldn't care less. I say the wrongall the time. They couldn't care less, and it's just like so, where'sa basketball? Like what a terrible friend. And the rest of them, when Dennis goes to tell them, they're like, oh, he's justgoing to lose all his hair. That's the only thing they care about.They don't care about like helping him. Like the first thing that's on theirmind is how's he going to look without his hair, and Dennis like tellsthem that, oh, he was there and he like was there for Charliefor like they sat for hours while he was crying, like he wasn't thereat all. He just cared about his basketball. Max says something discussing.I didn't write it down, and then Oh, that's what happened. Yeah, this is the episode. This is the episode where they just make funof Trans People and kind of try to imply that they're predatory or I don'tI don't know the word for because it's it's just wrong, like what they'retrying to do, and I don't even want to say it, like it'sjust disgusting. Well, I feel like you should give context. I cantalk about a few fun no. So, like, so Mac sees this thiswoman at the bar. She's playing pool or something, and he's talkingto her until he goes back over to Dennis and try. I don't knowwho's there, I guess probably just Dennis and D and they're like, oh, yeah, that's someone's cousin. She's transgender. Wait, never wance didthey call her by her appropriate gender. Yeah, they always call her himand they don't say transgender. They give her drowt Tory slur, which I'mnot going to say, and then, wow, MAC MAC is like notokay with it, but kind I don't, I don't know. This part waslike a little weird. I think maybe they're trying to imply that he'sgay with it. I don't know. Now that you said that, I'mlike, is that what they were trying to do? MMM, which Idon't know. Um. So, she this this woman, I don't rememberher name. Her name was Carmen. Carmen, okay, she has nothad gender reassignment surgery yet and not everyone wants that, and that's that's okay. That's not like a step where they can't afford it, like that's fine. She actually ends up getting it later in the show. Just Fun,okay, okay, I so. Yeah.

Well, at this point she hasn'thad gender re assignment surgery and they tend to show her grabbing like wheneverMac like goes away or comes back. I'd like, I don't I don'treally know why they do this, but she grabs her penis like it's justlike in her skin tight jeans. Like it doesn't. It doesn't really makesense, like I the way they do it. I don't anyway, theyshow that many times to be funny and it's not funny. NOPE, there'salso like a subplot of D's acting friend who is a heavier woman. Shelike lost her job and she tries, D tries to get her job atthe the Bar, and they make fun of her because, like he won'tgive her the job because she's heavier, pretty much. And Charlie doesn't havecancer. He was just using it to get a girl. Yep, thewaitress from before. Actually, yeah, he's because he's in love with her. What's also really awful about that whole storyline with Charlie and the waitress isthat she, throughout the show, ends up like going back to her alcoholism. She files multiple restraining orders against him and she also loses several jobs becauseof him. Yep, my dogs are working. Yeah, so that endsup happening, which kind of sucks. Well, doesn't kind of stuck.That's awful. Yeah, one positive thing, I guess about this episode is thatlike they're repercussions for actions. Like Mac accidentally punches Carmen in the faceand these these guys around them or like that's hate crime, and start chasinghim and he ends up getting punched in the face. So he deserved it, which is just. Well, D punches him in the face. Soshe does. Yeah, because Dal like has always wanted to punch in theface because he punched her in the face at one point. Well, heends up getting punched in the face. Yeah, so I'm chain really,and Charlie kind of ruins a shot with a girl. So, yeah,Great. Moving on. Oh, this is the only episode I actually thoughtwas funny. The next one. Yeah, okay, then you go ahead.I did kind of think this one was good. So the plot,well, it's called gun fever and it tackles gun control. So we're offto a good start already, because this isn't about a group people, it'sabout guns. Yeah, that's true. Yes, so, basically, someonebroke into patties, the bar that they work at, and stole they're safeand they decide to buy a gun because, you know, that's the logical thingto do. On. Yeah, being sarcastic, in case you couldn'ttell. And the police do absolutely nothing, Um, which is kind of likewhen I was robbed. The police did nothing. So it does kindof say something about the police, which is which is good. It makesa statement. And D is dating this guy who wants to sleep with everybartender in town and it turns out that a bunch of stafs were stolen intown. So you kind of know from the very beginning of the episode thathe's the one that is going in and breaking into all these places. SoD is very much against them buying a gun until her new guy says thatit's sexy. Like once again D is playing the I'm better than you,I'm my I have higher morals than you do. Of course it's the woman. Yeah, but ends up flip flopping and doing the exact same thing thatthey do. And so at the same time Charlie needs to pay his rent, and so then, oh, okay, so charlie needs to pay his rentbecause it's late, and Mac and Dennis bought a gun and are playingwith it and Charlie comes in and plays with it too, and then Charliebrings the gun to his apartment to scare his landlord so he doesn't have topay rent. So he thinks that this gun is like doing wonders for himand D is shooting a gun for the...

...first time with her guy and meanwhile, of all that's happening, Dennis and Mac or trying to solve the case. So they take the gun back from Charlie and assume it's the guy thatD is dating and they try to trick him into robbing patties twice, butthey find out that he is always carrying a gun. And so d MAC, Dennis and Dennis are all waiting at Patti's for the robber and at thatpoint Charlie comes in and tries to rob the bar and so they shoot himin the head and it just grazes him, but they sted off to take himto the hospital and they're all arguing over the the gun and who shotwho and whose fault it is, and they decide to keep the gun inthe end because they're stupid. But I thought that there are two funny quotesfrom this this episode, which is, let's be rational, we need tobuy a gun, which, yeah, I thought was pretty funny, andthen they also said clearly phillies finest doesn't give a shit, which I alsothought was funny. Well, I guess we have our options for quotes forthe episode, I don't really have anything on this one. I just kindof was like these people are the reason we need more gun laws in thiscountry. Yeah, but that's the point. Yeah, I guess this one,this one worked. Yeah, this one was more like. This onewas crystal clear on it who it's making fun of. Yeah, I mean, I yeah, okay, the next one isn't great. Now this oneis not great. So episode six is called the gang find a dead guy, and basically they come in the next morning, or like m morning,and there's a man who seems asleep but he's actually deep. He died.It doesn't not important how or why. But basically this man's granddaughter comes inand is like, I just wanted to see where he spent his loss lastnight, and all the guys try to get with her because they're terrible people, and at the same time d realizes that she doesn't want to lose hergrandfather before getting to spend any more time with him, because she hasn't seenin a while. She's freaked out by old people, which is like andlike ridiculously freaked out. It's just like kind of like all right, likethat's enough, and she can't even get into the room with him. She'sjust like so grossed out. But Charlie had gone with her and but it'sD and Dennis as grandfather, and he thinks that Charlie's Dennis. So heasked him to go get something that he wants to be buried in, andit turns out that what's in this box that I want him to get isa Nazi uniform and like a picture of him in the Nazi uniform, andit's just like the whole thing is charlie kind of trying it on and andthen they try to sell it and the museum they try to sell to islike I'm going to call the cops. Like why would you say this?Is like the way they phrased it. They were like you need this inyour museum, this is important, but like important in as like we arealso Nazi's. Like it was like very weird and basically Charlie ends up keepingthe hat from the uniform and yeah, yeah, yeah, in this episodethe grandfather also uses the K slur, which like I don't think I've everheard spoken aloud before, especially on TV. Yeah, the fact that all ofthese slurters were just casually use on TV. I like, what stationwould allow this? HMM, that was one of the moments where I wasmore so shocked than checking my privilege. You know, it's yeah, ifit's a social commentary, I should not be shocked. I should be thinkingdeeply about my privilege, but I was not. Couldn't get over the factthat they said that word, and so casually too. I like literally gaspedwhen I heard it. I don't know why, like, who has ashow on? I feel like with like everything that's like people are like uncoveringthings, you know, like the like seeing all these things that people havedone wrong over the years, and some I've grown from some habit. Likewhy is this show available for anyone to...

...watch? Like I think, likeit could maybe be okay if they at least bleep out the slurs, likeat a minimum, but it's just like why do you have this? Well, it's funny that you bring that up, because they were under fire this summerbecause there are a lot of episodes where they use black face. ButOh, like, I think that's why they were dropped by Netflix and takento Hulu. I'm not a hundred percent sure on that one, but Um, they use black face in a significant amount of episodes. It's not justonce and they use it even as late as two thousand and thirteen. Wow, so that's just crazy to think that that it, that was on TVin two thousand and thirteen. But, UM, the solution that they cameup to for this was to just take all of the episodes where they useblack face out. But at the same time, did no one catch thisisn't? Yes, almost as bad, if not the same, like,yeah, straight up saying the n word, Kyword, a slur for transgender people, like are you kidding me? Like why wouldn't? Why wouldn't youtake that out too? Who knows what else? This isn't them too?Yeah, and it's just at what point does your quote unquote, social commentarybecome an excuse for you to make jokes about people like minorities and people ofother religions and races and genders? I don't know, I don't know how. I keep saying that I know, but like, I don't know howthis was ever a show that like, people would tune in regularly to watch. You know, Yep, it's not like it's a Netflix series or something. That's all posted all at once. It's something that they had good enoughratings for fifteen seasons. Like that's kind of, I don't know, concerningto me. And also, like if you're moving to Hulu, Um andyou realize that your show has evolved into becoming a more accepting show and ashow that doesn't shock people like that with horrific things to say, if you'removing to Hulu, you can definitely edit the show and take out some ofthe parts where it could really hurt someone. Or, honestly, like I don'tthink that these episodes really really like define them as character like it doesto me, like they're awful people. That's what it defined them as tome. But I think they could probably get rid of this season in liketake it off entirely, and I don't think you would lose anything from theshow. HMM, yeah, because it's not I don't know, these charactersare kind of one dimensional and that's like the point. They're supposed to bekind of one dimensional. So like why we need why do we need that? And also, like, sorry, good I was just gonna say.Like also, even if it's even if it's meant to be satirical, usingwords like that still normalizes it and invalidating transgender people. Even if it's supposedto be a joke, it's still does and imagine being someone who, like, falls into these categories that they're making fun of as a social commentary.Like, I'm sorry, but like like watching this from a white, SISgender woman's perspective, like I'm still offended and I'm not even affected by mostof these jokes. So I can only imagine how hurt the communities that theytalked about would be hearing this and seeing this. Yeah, so that's episodes. Say, there's more episode in the season and then we'll never talk aboutagain, except for whatever learn has to bring up, and then we're nevertalking about this again. So episode seven's called Charlie got molested. Basically,these two boys is from their middle school went to the police and said thatthis, their jym teacher, had touched them as as young children and thatthere were probably more victims. And basically the whole friend group thinks that Charliewas one of these people that was molested by their teacher and they make lightof it the whole time, and Mac even goes to the teacher's house andis dressed in really short shorts and is like why didn't you molest me?Like why you shouldd have, like why wasn't I good enough? And it'slike it ends up that these two men...

...were lying and they were just doingit to get money, which is not okay. You don't joke about that. You don't like just like do that to someone. And Charlie eventually goesand they so Charlie's all their friends, go to Charlie's family and tell themthat this happened to him, even though they have no idea if it did, and they try to stage an intervention and then they're basically like, well, you need to go to the police and tell them. So those twoguys that made this up go to the police station with him, because theyare going to blackmail him and say, like if he didn't and like toldthe police that he was lying or that they were lying, they would sayit was all his idea or something. They can throw him under the businstead. So when they go to the police station, Charlie kind of wrapsthem all out and then I don't really know what happens to them. Iguess they go to jail or I don't I don't really know, but likeit's clear that Charlie's upset about the situation. I we don't really ever find outwhy, at least from what I could understand. But yeah, Ithink that's kind of most the episode. They just make fun of kids whowere abused by their teachers. Yep, this episode, two, well actuallythis one in the one before, made me realize how much of a ripoffshameless is of the show. I don't know, do you watch shameless?I did, but I don't know what you're talking about. Well, soone of the episodes, Oh, I forget his name, which it's D'shusband. Do you mean be the D, Not v, the these husband?What's his name? I don't know, hold on it looking Kevin. Howcould I be so dumb? Okay, so in one of the episodes ofshameless, a bunch of kids from like Kevin's basketball team come out outas like saying that they're coach like abuse them as kids, and Kevin wasn't, and so the whole time he was wondering why he wasn't chosen. Imean, the one thing this episode does is teach us, like they kindof throw in some like lessons there. Like you, you shouldn't stage anintervention when you suspect that someone you know has been through something traumatic like that. They also say, like they also teach us that pedophilia is more aboutpower than attraction. So that was okay, like learning about that, and Charliedoes say, like there are people who have actually been molested. Youguys are going to exploit that for your own personal gain, which isn't thatwhat the show is doing? But yeah, so, yeah, so, Imean I see where the lesson is there, but also, at thesame time, I feel like there's a better way of going about it thanhow they did. I just like I don't think anything like makes up forit, you know. HMM. Yeah, so, like was there anything thator anyway that the show evolved from what you've seen? Um, well, I didn't have time to watch all all fourteen seasons, but I didsee some of the episodes that I referenced, such as like the one in seasonfive where Dennis talks about the Dennis method Um and then the one inseason six where he makes women feel threatened. So they so it didn't like evolveda devolved. No, I mean in some ways, like well,I guess honestly, in two thousand and thirteen if they were doing blackface still. Like I didn't see all the episodes, but it kind of stays the samealmost. But I don't think they say the n word again. Well, that's good. Yeah, and when Mac comes out, there isn't reallya joke. It's just like it's him like dancing, doing like a contemporarydance, I think. Okay, so there wasn't a joke, which isgood. It wasn't like they were trying to make it like something that's funny, because it's not. Um. So, I mean I basically talked about likeI sprinkled in everything I was gonna say throughout. Okay, all this, but I did have like one more point to bring up. Just Um, like I realized that this show is...

...supposed to be a social commentary andsupposed to be satirical, like where the actors are awful people who say likeracist, homophobic Xus sogynistic things. I do phase repercussions for their actions likemost of the time, but Um, it kind of like normalizes making commentslike that and passing them off as a joke, because it's not transgender peoplemaking the joke or black people making the joke. It's white SIS, gendermales and one girl talking about like race issues, rape and other things,and so I don't know, I feel like it normalizes like white men tosay those things. Almost in past. Moth is dark humor. Yeah,no, you're absolutely right. I am not glad to have watched this.I hope it gets taken off of Hulu soon, at least the episodes thatwe watched, and hopefully I'll the other incredibly bad ones. I mean notto end on a bad review, but I don't think there's any other wayto end this one. Yeah, now I feel sad. I mean,we will definitely pick something better for next week. I don't think we canget any worse than this. I think that's a positive. Yeah, also, anyone who suggested this show to be why would you think that I wouldenjoy this? I hope none of you ever to reckon me in the showto anyone. Yeah, no, I will not have you recommending this anyone. Oh, I don't, I know you won't. I just mean anyonewho's listening. Yeah. Well, if you want to recommend better shows tous, we greatly greatly appreciate it. Even check us out on facebook andInstagram at how have we never podcast, and on twitter at how have wenever, as well as on Youtube, if you just search how we neverseen this before, we're on there as well. I think that's it.I'd like to say one last thing. Go ahead, Um, if you'vemade it this far to the episode, I just want to say thank Godour demographic is not straight white men. That is true. Thank you,appreciate it. We'll see you next week. Why? Why? Hey, congratulations, you've made it to the end of our podcast. We hope youenjoyed listening. How have we never seen this before? Is produced by isBo barone. The music is by Scott Holmes. The podcast art is byMichael Beaumont over at monitor comics, and our social media is run by LaurenCola. Thanks for listening.

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