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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 1, Episode 7 · 1 year ago

Ladybird: "That's Hella Tight."

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In Episode 7, Isabel and Lauren discuss the 2017 coming-of-age film, Ladybird, directed by Greta Gerwig. 

Join us as we talk about our boy Timmy C., how we can never get anybody's name right, and our unfortunate early 2000s hairstyles.

If you want more from How Have We Never Seen This Before, feel free to subscribe on Apple Podcast and Spotify, and give us a follow on Instagram at @howhaveweneverpodcast!

Also, shout out to Michael Beaumont @monitorcomics for our podcast art!

Thanks for listening! 

Hey everyone, and welcome back to episode seven of how have we never seen this before? This week we watched ladybird. Stay tuned to hear US discuss our boy Tommy, see how we can never get anyone's name right and our unfortunate early two thousand hairstyles. This is a podcast where two best friends talk about movies they've never seen before. I'm Isabel and I'm Lauren, and this is how have we never seen this before? This week's winner of the guests the movie contest is my friend Georgia from up at college. So congratulations, Georgia, and if you want to be the next winner of our guests the movie contest, make sure to follow us on Instagram at how have we never podcast and check out our stories each week. Okay, good morning everybody, in morning. This is our first time recording in the morning. So how this goes? All Right? So this week we watched ladybird with crucie shoot, I think it's sear show to your Shaw. Well, hope that's right. In my head, I know that it's Tearsha, but whenever I read her name I think sworries. But yeah, with her and Timothy Shallow, me, my boy to me see. Also beani. Yeah, fine, seen or felt? Fine, right as true a right. It's not felt seen. I think it may be felt steen. Oh Boy, hold on, I don't know, I could be wrong. It's Feld Stein. I'm so sorry. So that's our theme for the last two weeks. Beanie Feldstein and high school. All right, high school coming of age movies. I I love them. I said it before and I'll say it again. I love him. But Anyway, yes, let's get into it. So before the movie, well, as it starts, there's a quote across the screen that is anybody talks about California, hedonism has never spent a Christmas and Sacramento. And I didn't get it. But I didn't get it. But I saw that it was a Joan didian quote. So I was like it's probably cool. I Love Joan Didion. I mean, I don't Sacramento look pretty cool to me. It looked so beautiful I would want to live in Sacramento. Saying so, I don't know what you're on, Lady Bird. Anyway. So it looks like you don't know her name right away. They will say the names until a little bit in. Yeah, so it looks like this girl and her mom are in a hotel and like they wake up and the like. You ready to go home and they're heading home. So they're driving and it turns out they were on a college road trip, which I was on many of those, and they're driving with a book on tape and it's the Grapes of Wrath. Once the book finishes, they're both crying and the girl wants to turn on the radio right away and her mom's like, let's just sit with what we've listened, like what we just heard. That's like me when I whenever I drive with my dad, like I always the second I get into the car, I'm like, can you play some music please? He's always saying to me, do we need music? Can't we just sit and listen to silence? That's my mom too. She's like I hate driving with music and I'm like how do you how like I need this music. Yeah, when I was learning to drive, my first time, like I had driving lessons, but the same guy you had, remember. Oh my God, what's her name? I don't know. I had one driving lesson. I think I had six, but my first time I was so nervous when I got out of the car, when we got back home, my hands hurt so bad because I've been clutching the wheel. But the next time he like had it was a Sunday, so he had the eagles game playing and just like having that noise relaxed me because it like distracted me from not being so focused. So I don't know, like I always have to have something on when I'm driving. Same you drive with me, it's gonna be a concert. Yeah, I will make the guitar sounds with my...

...voice, I will say. But anyway, while they're in the car, we find out her name is Ladybird, but also it's her her real name is Christine, but she's asked her everyone to call her lady bird, and she's saying how she wishes that she could live through something. She's like, and I didn't realize this until probably the end of the movie, but this is taking place in like two thousand and two, two thousand and thirty, HMM, and she's like like this this year doesn't count, but it's like eleven and there is an actually war going on. She's yeah, but then they start arguing and they argue throughout the entire movie pretty much. But she's saying that she wants to go to the East Coast for school, and I was like, I was just thinking, like everyone on the east coast wants to go to the west coast for college and everybody on the West Coast once from the East Coast. The grass is always greener. Yeah, but her mom is like, you can't even get into those schools. You don't think about anyone, but you're so and like, I mean kind of yeah, but also like if my mom said that to me, I'd be heartbroken. You don't tell a kid straight up that she can't get into those schools, because what's the problem with just applying? Like yeah, if she doesn't get in, she doesn't get in, but you can't tell her that she can't, because if she's paying for the applications herself, then why not just wait and see and even if you don't think she can, you don't think you can get into it, call it a reach school. You don't call it you can get in school. Yeah, her mom was being so mean. I I just feel so bad. And then I was just like like, after mom's that, I was just like wow, like I can't imagine. And then lady bird jumps out of the car. How did she only end up with a broken arm, like they must have been going like rather slowly for her only to end up with a broken arm, but you could see how fast they were driving, like she would have had a concussion, like completely scraped her whole body. Maybe she's like done it before, I don't know. She seemed rather prepared for it. I don't know. Can Roll. I can't say I've ever jumped out of a moving vehicle before. So No, I can't say I have either, but it would be quickly experience if I ever did. Yeah, but anyway, then, so we get to like montage of her in Catholic school and we get to see at church, Timmy, see, I you also see that being used in this movie and this like seem to. But it reminded me so much of gossip girl, with the girls on the one side and the boys in the other. Yeah, well, if you go to a Catholic girls school, there's usually the brothers school and it's the boy equivalent, and I guess they all go to church together under the same parish. So I guess they have to be separated because boys can't interact with girls. I also never went to Catholic school, so this was even me. This gave me some horrible flashbacks to my time at Catholic school. The one thing I couldn't believe, though, was that she was allowed to have pink hair. I know, Oh, I wrote that down. In Catholic school we weren't allowed to have nail Polish piercings that weren't two studs. You couldn't have makeup except for like lip gloss, and I'm trying to remember what the other Oh, you couldn't dye your hair. You could only have a certain haircut to so this is unrealistic. Are Our high schools and Catholic we can die her hair. Like, there's no way she could have had this in Catholic school. But I don't know, maybe two thousand and two with a different time. Yeah, but also the principle. The sister, I forget her name, but she is kind of cool. Yeah, she allows it. I think she'd like she likes Lady Birds. Yeah, but anyway, you also find out that Ladybird is running for student body president, not to to win or anything, but just because she always runs, which I thought like that might go somewhere, but that was kind of the only mention of it and she's with the this head done. I don't I don't know her name, but she's like you should do a theater like you might. You might joy you to do a theater. There's they do a musical in the fall and then a play in the spring.

And then Ladybird is walking home with her her friend Ben. Oh, and miss something. Sorry, I didn't mean so aggressive. We miss the fact that lady bird did sign up for the musical and so did Julie, who is beany and then they walk home and they're walking through the really nice neighborhoods and just looking at all the houses and saying what they would do if they lived in them. And I love that, like I love going on Zillo and looking at rich people house and just imagining. They especially like this really Nice Blue House and they this is important because it comes up later. They picture their lives in it if they live there, and so just thought I would throw that out there. Yeah, that House is actually rather important for many points in this movie. Yeah, then they go to the grocery store, which is where her brother and hit her brother's girlfriend work, and she's just kind of standing in one of the checkout lanes and is reading a magazine while her brother's in another one and is like put the magazine back, like you're not going to pay for just like go, and she's like, don't be a Republican. And then we also see that her mom works out a psychiatric hospital and she often works two ships a day. She's always, always really busy with work and that's where a lot of her stress comes from, because the psychiatric hospitals very stressful job. So you kind of see how stressed she is at work and at home. But when she's driving and she just basks in Sacramento and takes everything in and listens to music, or I don't know if she was listening to music whatever, she is finally at peace. Yeah, and so right when she gets back to her home from a hard day at work, the music cuts and automatically it's chaotic. Yeah, and it's also the morning, so she worked the night shift at this hospital and and this is breakfast for everyone. We also find out that her ladybirds brother's girlfriend lives with them and you can see that there's this this good relationship that she has with her dad but a bad one with her mom. Her her and her mom are always arguing, but also the same time, they have like good moments together, but she's definitely always on a on a good page with her dad. And then her dad goes to drop her off at school, but she asks him to drop her off about a block away. She's ashamed of their car, just like the way how they're not as rich as everyone else at this school. That's so mean. I know it's really sad. Like her dad was so cute, I loved him. Before he drops her off, she asks him to fill out financial aid forms for schools on the east coast because her mom wants her to go to the UC schools and all the state schools so that they can pay in state tuition, but she wants to go somewhere else. But she asked him to fill out the financial aid forms without telling her mom so that she can fight that battle later. And as she's walking into school, she runs into Julie getting dropped off by her mom and her mom's boyfriend, who she calls him uncle. I forget like the his name, but he's also David Wallace. David Wallace, I love him. I was like, wow, there's so many good people in this movie, but we're referring to David Wallace from the office, if you didn't know. Yeah, I I guess not everybody knows. Yeah, we also see this girl Jenna, in front of her like Range Rover or whatever, and you don't really know much about her, but you're kind of assuming she might be the mean girl or something. And she's also the girl from the giver. You think the Giver Move? I thought she looked familiar. Yea. Also, her brother looks super familiar, but I can't tell you where he's from either. Her brother, ladybird's brother, not channs, but oh, ladybirds brother. Is that guy from the fosters? Oh, okay, one of Callie. Yeah, of interest. That's not. No, no, not callie. Oh, Mark Mama. Yeah, while who would have thought the fosters would come up so frequently in these podcasts? Yeah, so then, oh, it cuts to Julie and ladybird eating the communion...

...wafers. It's it looks like a locker room or something, and one girl comes in as like you can't eat the wafers and they're like they're not consecrated, we can eat them. Yeah, I mean before they're blessed. They're just tasteless crackers. I mean after they're blessed, there's still pieces. Great, and then there is the theater audition. Wait, sorry, can I say something? I don't know why I gasp so loudly every time. I want to go back. Yes, you recently. Can we just talk about the girl who said, like stop eating the conion wafers. I had that same exact headband that I wore throughout all of elementary school. Do you know the one I'm talking about? Is it's like the one that's like like Zig zags. Yeah, yeah, did you have one of those? Yeah, and you just like straight up push your entire like hair back, yeah, and then have your hair down and have it overlapping them headband. It's such a bad book. It is not cute. I thought she looked so much. It doesn't Shit. Rollie backpack too. Yeah, that's me. That was me. I never stooped so low to have a rollie backpack. Um, just letting you know, but I did have that headband. Well, I didn't wear that headband, but I had the rolling backpack. So we found who we are in this movie. What, What Ages did you have a rollie backpack for up until to Middle School? Do you think you didn't have one in fifth and sixth grade. Right. No, I might have had one for like two weeks in fifth grade and I was like mom, I can't good because I wouldn't have been your friend. But anyway, Middle School, this is high school. Yeah, why are we talking about this? Anyway, now are at the theater audition and everyone's through in their thing. There's this reminded me of high school musical when they do the they auditions. I was just going to say I didn't know it Song Lady Bird was singing, but Julie was really good. Yeah, I wrote that too. But I like how they kept this pretty realistic to how high schoolers would actually perform at an audition. I thought that oftentimes high school movies that have a musical in them, the singers are usually like trained singers who can just belt a song out, but everyone in this movie was pretty realistic and pretty terrible, which is good because that's how high school is. Yeah, I like the only thing was that when we performed like are like audition for our high school musical, we didn't get like a piano player. We just had to saying I'm having flashbacks. It was very uncomfortable. Yeah, it would just be the director and the music guy. But yeah, during the auditions there's one boy named Danny who's singing in when Lady Bird sees him, she's like love at first sight or something, just like keep staring at him and wants to get to know him better. Can I just tell you that the second I saw him singing on stage, I knew exactly how this movie would go. Oh really, they set it up so perfectly that I was like, I know, yeah, but before we find out he's gay, Lady Bird really likes him and she's like flirting with him every chance she gets. I Love Danny. I'm yeah, Danny's really good for and but before the flirting begins we find out like who got what part, and everybody gets a part, but Juliet a better part than lady bird, so she was a little sad. But then lady Berry goes to the grocery store with her mom and she sees Danny and she's like trying to talk to him and be like I have these hot rollers for your hair that you can use to make your part in the musical like more realistic. I don't know what musical they're doing though, either, and do I maybe it's a Catholic musical. Yeah, and then we go to theater practice and and they're like playing all these theater games. That's just like wow, I theater games. They're so video games are fun. Yeah, but then, Um, we get to one game where the priest, who's the director. First of all, I love him. He's he's very adorable, but he's like, Oh, let's let's play this game. Whoever cries first wins to tap into our emotions. Not even ten seconds go by and he's like full on sobbing. Meanwhile no one else in the room is crying. That made me so sad. Yeah, I love him and my heart broke when he cried. He's such a pure soul.

But it's like it's weird. Like right after this crying game, lady bird is sitting outside with Danny and this other girl who's she's in that show with Ross Lynch. Yeah, she's Ali from Austin and ally. Oh, that's a show, but that's the only time she's in this movie. But she's like talking about how I think his the theater director's son, died from an overdose or had an overdose or something, or just died young and that's why he's sad. But that was then she's like, oh, there's my mom, gotta go rhy Wow, okay, and once she leaves Lady Bird and Daniel there alone together and she gives Danny the hot rollers and they're flirting back and forth. Danny was really putting on the charm and he also tells her how he had a dream about her. And then it's the next day. You're just another school day and they're in math class and Julie has a crush on the math teacher, who also seemed very familiar. I don't know where. I know you know him from legally blonde. Really, he's the the mean Guy Warner. No, is that? No, he's not. Yeah, he is. Told on. Okay, he is. Oh, he's in shameless. He was in the show Greek. He Played Evan Chambers. That's why I thought he might have been warner, because they place he plays a simmer similar role. I probably know him from shameless. They just had like a really good cast lay all around. Oh my God, we got so off topic, you know. Oh, okay, okay, okay, math, right in math class. Julia the crush on the math teacher, who is not warner from legally blond, but he was on shameless anyway, and Greek. We also find out that Ladybird is bad at math, for whatever reason, from less just bad at math. And then they have a square dance. Wait for God to say that Julie is good a math. Does anything come of that? Yeah, this will be later. I'll mention it and away. Yes, Julie is good at maths. He's very good at that. I'm lady bird is bad. And then they have a school dance and it's like either cowboy themed or to square dance, because square dances are something that they do here. Yeah, the in the elementary schools like they dance. You, everyone has to learn how to do a square dance. Anyway, they're up the dance and lady bird goes up to Danny and asks him dance and and none comes up and is like leave six inches for the Holy Spirit. They actually do that? They say that. Oh, I believe it. Yeah. Then after the dance, lady bird is waiting outside with Julie and Danny and Julie's mom pulls up and she's like okay, let's go, and landwards like no, my mom's coming. Wink, wink. My Mom's coming so so she can stay and hang out with Danny and they're just talking about what they want to do with their lives and Danny says his dreams going to Paris and there's like some tension building kind of and lady birds getting nervous because they looks like they're going to kiss. And before they kiss, though, they're talking about learning French, and ladies birds like, why would you ever need to learn French? And he says that he wants to learn French to go to Paris, and it reminds me of us taking French for no reason. Will Jo we're not speaking bad French again this fuck. But then they kiss and it's very passionate. I guess it's like kind of like I don't have a like explain it. All the kissing in this movie is so bad and I'm glad because it kind of is accurate. It is just everything happens so fast. Yeah, it was like it's very fast. That's a good way to sing it. And then she runs home and is screaming because she's so happy, but she walks in and her parents are talking and they're saying how like you're trying to plan for their future because, as it turns out, her dad boss his job and lady bird like doesn't make a noise for them to know that she's here until she runs up to a room and kind of slams the door, and then her mom comes into her room and is like yelling at her about how her room was messy and that she needs to clean her room and put her clothes in the wash so that her clothes look nice, that her rich friends parents won't hire her dad and they won't hire her if she looks slumpy. I don't know, slumpy, I don't know a word for every word. Yeah, HMM, sloppy dump. Be that better? Sloppy? I combine those. Sorry, I...

...would just like to say that throughout the film her mom kind of is projecting when they have those arguments, like you could tell that deep down she's insecure and scared because of their financial status. She takes it all out and nitpicks that ladybird and projects those problems on to her because of her own problems. That makes sense. Yeah, and it's also used to find out that her mom, her her mom's mom, was an abusive alcoholic. So I think that it definitely plays into it. Honestly, like I kind of hated her mom at the beginning of the movie, but then I kind of grew to with each fight. I kind of understood why she was the way she was and why she knit picks at her and all of like the Nice things that she does for her and I don't know, I grew to like her. Yeah, I liked her a bit more by the end. So then it's the next day and Lady Bird's with the college counselor and again they're so like mean about going to school. She's like, yeah, you couldn't go to this school, like your grades are so bad, like how could you ever? You like why even apply there? And then she's like, Oh, you have unusually good set scores. Just like what's the terrible college counselor? I don't think any college counselor would say that. I think anyone who's I guess she's maybe she's not trained to be a college counselor, but you would never say that to a student, like you would ever straight up say laugh at them and say that they can't get into that school. I couldn't imagine, like I had for college counselors of my time, in high school, just because none of my never stayed at our school, but none of them would have ever said that. Yeah, because that's so like you just kind of lose all hope. If he, if they said that. Yeah, you have to build these kids up. They're probably already stressed as it is that the whatever college they get into is going to affect the rest of their life. Yeah, but after that she's lady birds with Danny and they're dancing through a garden or something and honestly it was so cute. I know I was like this is so sweet. Um. And then lady birds like pick a star for us and they named it Bruce. And then she tells him, she's like, you can touch my boobs want, and he's like no, I respect you too much, so I won't that respect. Well, okay, so we we kind of find out why he won't touch her boobs. It's not because he respects her, but because he's not attracted to women. But she also she says to him, she's like well, if, if you had, if you had boobsone touch them either out of respect. And then they say I love you to each other for the first time. But in my notes I wrote they say I love views. I sound like I'm from Philly by saying use, use, use. I genuinely think that that Danny Loves Ladybird, though. Yeah, just not that way. Yeah, not that way. Anyway, it's the next day at school and they're Julie is with Lady Bird and they're walking around and Julie's to go to class, while the he bird has a free period. But ladybird decides to wander into a classroom and you don't really know what it what classroom it does or anything. She like steals a binder and then just throws it away. Wait, can make them track for a second too. Yeah, UM, when. So Julie has history class, I think, Um, while lady bird has a free period, and Ladybird is like no, please, I don't want to be alone. Stay with me, stay with me, and Julie's like I need to get good grades, I want to pass this class. I'm getting good grades, but if I don't show up I'm going to fail. And it kind of shows how toxic of a friend lady bird is to Julie. She just expects everyone. She thinks that her life is more important than everyone else's and that everyone revolves around her, which kind of annoyed me. I believe, like it's kind of funny, though, because I feel like that was being these character in the last movie. Yeah, like she just like switched part yeah, but, yeah, yeah, I agree. I the way that lady bird treats Julie in the time and then kind of from this point on, one or like I did a little bit, like till almost the end of the movie, there's just not great. Anyway. Then Ladybr goes to the thrift sort with her mom and they're like yelling at...

...each other back and forth, but then they're also like, oh my Gosh, look at this dress. And they're because lady bring needs a dress to go to Danny's grandmother's house for Thanksgiving and she gets this pink lacy dress. You also see that her mom spent like all night sewing the dress for her to make some alterations for it, and placed it in her closet but didn't want to wake her up. And then it's the next day in math class and the math teachers like, well, my grade book has been misplaced. So that's what lady were throw away. It was a math teachers grade book. So he tells them they can recreate their grades with an on a code, by going up to him and telling him what they think they're grade was. That is such a Catholic school thing to happen. And Julie goes up and is like a and he's like no, it's definitely an a and she's like uh, thank you. And then when lady bird comes up, she says it was a bee. He was like no, I think it was more like be s plus rain. She was like, no, I did really well my last quiz. It's a be. He's like, I think he only did a little bit better, which she's like, it's a bee. So he gives her be. And now it is Thanksgiving and Danny comes over to lady bird's house to pick her up to take her to his grandmother's house for dinner. And now I'm thinking about I didn't think about this before, but he he like comes up to the door and he knocks and he comes inside. Me Meets the parents, HMM, which to me C doesn't do later, which, yeah, but anyway, he there laughs because Ladybird, when they when they first met, Ladybird told him that she's from the wrong side of the tracks as and he took it to be a joke, like that's just how she speaks. But then she literally lives on the other side of the train tracks and he points that out to her family and her family's like what, like what, she's from the right side of the tracks. I don't know. I thought it was funny too, like yeah, but I didn't. It plays into the idea that she is embarrassed to be not in the rich neighborhoods and stuff like that. Yeah, I guess. I think they just take it poorly because of how she's treated them in other ways. HMM, yeah, because they're so insecure about their financial status. Yeah. So then they walk to his grandmother's House and his grandmother lives at the Blue House with the white shutters that her and Julie have been talking about at the beginning, and lady bird like gets along really well with their family and she like folds of a Napkins for the grandmother and everything. Okay, I have a question for you. Is Danny and his family? Are They Reagan's? I don't know, because she points, she has the poster. Yeah, she points to the poster and is like Ha, that's funny and he's like no, like that's serious. I thought, like he meant that as like she really supports Reagan, like he really supported Reagan. Oh, I don't know, like, I mean maybe maybe let's look on one let me just I think. So. I think maybe just his his neighborhood. Okay, okay. So then, yeah, they're like she was a big supporter or something, I guess. Okay, but after the Thanksgiving dinner, Danny and Ladybird meet up with Julie and some guy. I don't. I don't know who the guy is. I've no idea. It's not show up again. Yeah, and then it looks like they did some kind of drug. I don't. I think they're smoking. We yeah, and then they go to a band concert and to me see is playing bass. Dude, Timmy see is the bass player in an Indie band. I have no words. Yeah, I just rete cute. That's not what I wrote. And the math teachers. There he was. I didn't even notice because I was too busy looking at to me, yeah, Julie notices him. So because Julie's in love with the math teacher. Dude, I do. You know...

...how I love my Indie Boys? Yeah, they're the the skinny white boys who look like they haven't slept a day. Yep, and anyway, Charlemai is different, though. Charlemai, isn't that how you say his name? Shalomeg, it's so ma, there's no are. He's loved my life and I can't even say his last name right. Oh my God. Yes, yes, I remember when I said I don't know you said either. Yes, yes, yes, so after her the concert, they go back to lady bird's house and they're like microwavings six dishes at the same time. Yeah, they're ferociously hungry because they got high and yeah, and they can't stop laughing. Yeah, and they're eating Thanksgiving leftovers, which sounds really yummy. And then her mom comes down, as like, I was surprised her mom didn't get mad. Her mom is so chill about some things. Yeah, I love her mom at the end, like I hate to love her. I just like really appreciate how to handle that. Yeah, I think that was like like a point where I was like, Oh, I like her more. And then everyone leaves and shelly, who's Miguel, her brother's boyfriend, or her brother's girlfriend? I kept writing that like her brother's boy I don't know why. Maybe I knew about Danny at that point. But Shelley's outside smoking and then lady bird joins in and she says, or shelley tells her, how sad her mom was that she wasn't there for Thanksgiving, which think that is sad. But she also says, she opens up and says that. So Shelley's shelley says sally shells sheet. See, sure, Shelly says that she got kicked out of her home for having premarital sex with, I'm assuming Miguel. I would hope it's Bigel and M ladybirds mom took her in and she's basically family to them. Yeah, and you start to respect ladybirds mom even more at this point. Yeah, that's Oh, I don't think we ever mentioned this, but ladybird and her family are and are not devout Catholics, like no, they ladybirds only in Catholic school because her brother saw someone get stabbed at the local high school. But yeah, so the next scene is the opening night of the musical and I was like, what is this because it made no sense. It looked how our high school plays look. Honestly. Yeah, after the show, Julie goes up to her math teacher and he has a pregnant wife and she gets really sad. But also once like the math teaching and the wife walk away, Julie goes to sit down next to the theater director and they're both really sad and he's like upset because he's like they just don't understand the musical. But I wanted to cry. I'm like starting to tear up honestly, like I I was so sad, like I didn't understand it and I feel bad, but like I also didn't see the whole thing. So I just want to give the theater director are a huge hug. I know, and it happens later, so I don't want to say anything, but like get me really sad. But Anyway, Um, after after, on that note, after the musical, everyone goes to the a diner, because that's what you do in a small town after a musical theater performance. Yeah, go out to the diner. But while about the diner, ladybird has to go to the bathroom and they're waiting in line in the women's room but the line is too long and then they instead go into the men's room and the first or they open they see Danny Kissing a boy. I don't know who the boy is, do you probably some cast member? Okay, yeah, it's just some other, some other boy from their high school. And they run out to the car and they're like laying with this the backs all the way to the ground and sad music playing and they're just crying in the car. Any Song they're listening to crash into me by Dave Matthews Band. No fence to anyone, but an awful song, awful I hate that song. Crash into me. Yeah,...

...there's she's sad about it, but you also see like more performances of the musical and she won't hold hands with Danny at the bowels of the end and it's sad. And then it's Christmas time and they had a very small Christmas and then later in the day lady birds in her room and her dad knocks on the door. For Christmas. He gives her the completed financial aid application and she has her brother drive her to drop them off at the post office as soon as possible. And then we see it's new year's next and they have two thousand and three glasses on and I should have liked caught on then that it was the early s, but I was like maybe they just they just reuse New Year's. You couldn't tell by the way they spoke. I don't know. Terrorism has been very prevalent since two thousand and two. It's like I could have placed this movie at any time. But also on New Year's you get to see that their entire family is bonding, like Miguel, shelley, the MOM, the dad, Lady Bird, they're all having a grand old time. Yeah, it's a really good like night for them. And in the New Year Lady Bird also gets a job as a Barista and on her first day she looks at the window and she sings to me. See outside reading and smoking as she goes outside and is like I really love your band and whatever, and he says something in French. Oh, he said. What does he say? He says his band is MMM MMM, law falls new. You wait, why is that their band name? I don't know. It means like what the child, the new childhood and I own or yeah, I don't know. It sounds Nice, though, especially don't place and friends, especially when Timmy says we also finally find out his name. Yeah, his name is Kyle. I kind of hate his name. I hate it. You could have given him a better name. Yeah, but Um Tommy. Kyle says you, Lady Bird, that she should, if she likes his music, she should see him at the DEUCE. And I thought that the deuce would be some sort of like bar or place for yea fans performed, but it's not. You'll find out later. Yeah, I was like, this is so weird. Yeah, and then her boss, her new boss on her first day of work, comes out and says, I'm not paying you to flirt. And Lady Verka this I wasn't flirting. And then Kyle says, I wish you had been cute. And then we are back at Church. That's where I be my God, and during Church Lady Bird keeps looking over at Kyle like throughout the entire day. Pretty much imagine him making those eyes at you at Church. Stop the leaves, Oh my God. And then they're in class, some class, and JEMMA is talking about the first time that she had sex and one of the nuns is going around skirt checking everybody. That is a very real thing, and Lady Bird is being really nice to Jena because she wants to get close to Kyle and Julie starts to notice that and Julie's like, oh well, you can't like go hang out later day because we have theater auditions. But ladybirds like now I don't want to do that anymore. She's like too cool for it or whatever, and so Julie goes to the feared theater auditions alone. Well, I just wanted to point out that Jenna asks ladybird what her name is and they go to a really small all girls Catholic school. How does she not know her name? That's yeah, it doesn't make any sense. She'd at least like know her in passing enough to know her name. Yeah, and they're also in class together. Like how do you not know? But Um, ladybird is basically saying that she's not going to try out for the play. So she's being really uncool to Julie and Julie goes alone. Yeah, and at the theater auditions the normal theater director is not there, just really sad and it's it's the new director is like the old JB football coach. But at the same time Ladybird is with Jenna and they're outside pranking the nun who told Jenner her skirt was too short and it says like Mary just married to Jesus. I thought that kind of a funny frank like...

...a harm. It was funny lady birduce saying telling Jenna that about the house she lives at, and she's like she is describing Danny's grandmother's house. And then lady bird suggests that they go to the deuce because Kyle might be there. And when they go it turns up the ducee is just a parking lot, which is weird, like why are you hanging out a parking lot? Doesn't make sense. But high schoolers will do a high schoolers to. But then ladybird and Jenna go up to kyle. They see him sitting there reading and they say he's always reading. We love a well read man Um. But then they they say to kyle we just prank the nun. We did X, Y Z, and he says that's how a tight you like what he needs, like I cannot imagine him as like a weird high school white boy like. He seems so much more sophisticated than that. I know. I just it really took a lot to get me back to liking him after he said it's Hella tight. He has like who are you? He also like casually tells Lady Bird that his dad has cancer. Yeah, but then also asks her for her number, and then and then he's she tells him. She's like this isn't my phone number, it's it's my parents. When I'm he's like you'll have a cell phone and she was like no, and he says good girl. Yep, Yep. But like the one thing, though, the reason he says it is because he's like, these are tracking devices made by the government, and I didn't expect this scene to be because of conspiracy theories. He do be speaking in facts, though, I have, but this was the infamous to me. See good girls, seeing the girl really made up for him saying Hella Tie. I think those two cancel each other out. Yeah, but he also like says it later. I know he says other things, so that'll it's just weird, like why are you saying this? I know I that he was a good guy in this movie. I know I thought he would be and I was so disappointed. Anyway, then lady bird is back of the coffee shop walking and she sees Danny Walkin, so she like walks out to throw the trash away instead of like being in there with him. Him and he comes out around to the alleyway where she's throwing out the trash to talk to her, and the first thing he says is that his grandmother missed her at Christmas, and then he's like your mom is scary, but she's like no, everything she does is out of love. He says, like she's still a little scary. And then lady birds finally like you're gay, and he's like he says how scared he is to tell his parents because his family is very, very Catholic, and he gets very upset and she's okay, she assumes that he's Gay, but he could I've realized this is in two thousand and two so people were labeled, but there's not as much visibility for, yeah, for other sexuality. But she just assumes that he's gay and meanwhile he could be bisexual or pansexual. Like that part kind of annoyed me. Yeah, that's true, but regardless, he's scared to come up to his parents, no matter what his sexuality is. And he starts crying and and like she just holds him and she promises that she won't tell anybody like this is all all. He can do it at his own pace. She'll be there for him no matter what, and it was. It was really sad, but also like it was nice to see him, or see her be there for him no matter what. So is the start of a great friendship. Yeah, it made me happy that they were like together, like like not together together, but they're back together. You know. Yeah, you're back in cohoots. And then m makes me so sad. We see ladybirds mom at work and she's talking to someone and it's the theater director. He's at the Psychiatric Hospital and she asks him if he had anyone he he talks to when he feels this way, and he says there's no one that he can talk to. It's just it's just really, really sad because, like he's clearly very depressed that. I'm sure there's lots of other things going on relating to what a lie had said earlier. We don't know if what she said is true or not, but he's just clearly not in a very good place. So it really...

...sad. Yeah, that's hard. Maybe like start to tear up. Honestly, think he's such a wholesome, all around good guy. It's really sad. But anyway, and then we cut too Ash Wednesday. It's Wednesday, my dudes, they get the it's like a cross on there. I only had that done in preschool. I've never had that done any other time. It's like, I'll explain it. At the start of lent you get Um, the priest puts a cross on your forehead in the in with ashes. I don't know where they it's like oil. It honestly made me break out every time I got it. So doing that. Yeah, but there's that. And then they're at home and lady bird is logging into I guess it's kind of like the fast soak up site or something, or college board or something. I'm sure it's different. Whatever it was then, it's very different now. But it's to check if she got financial aid or anything, I think, or got into any of the YOUC schools. And she got into you see Davis, but not you see Berkeley, which is where both her dad and her brother went to school. So basically, at this point you can kind of see the similarities between ladybird and her mom, because whenever her mom gets bad news she always lashes out at someone else in the family for something really small. And so when Ladybird gets the bad news that she didn't get into UC Berkeley, she starts lashing out at her brother and Shelley and she said something awful. She says that Miguel and shelley will never get jobs with their piercings and likes. Starts. She's just mean to them and she for jats just like her mom, which but it makes sense when that happen. Yeah, if for that, that's what she's learned from her mom's and she would do that as well. But yeah, and then she goes to a party at Jenna's house and she was like, yeah, my parents are upstairs. They don't care if you drink or whatever. Um. But she sees kyle across the pool reading and smoking again and she goes over to him and she pulls out cloves all. She said. Yeah, and he's like, Oh, I don't smoke that industrial cigarettes, like he's totally against the man, and he he's like, I barter instead of like I'm I just barter for everything. He's trying to live by bartering alone. But yet he goes to Catholic school where his parents pay tuition. Yeah, and he says he's doing it to make his dad happy and that's that's why he he's fine with it. But then they start kissing and then they are wildly making out and they like they're both like also saying how they haven't had sex before, and then they like go into a room and lady bird says like something about a tanning bed. Yeah, so at the beginning of the movie there's this rumor about Jenna that she's so rich that she has a tanning bed in her house and that's why she looks so glowy all the time. Oh, so then they end up in the room where the tanning bed is. Okay, then, yeah, all right, and she like brings up Julie and it's like, oh, Julie with loves. He's like, WHO's Julie? And then it cuts to another scene, and so you kind of you're not sure if they had sex or not, but then you kind of assume that they didn't. And then she's back at home and she took a bath and then her mom comes into the bathroom. Well before that, she's like has the Jew pulled out so someone can't open the door and she finds these pills in the bathroom and then her mom comes in and ladybird asks her mom when it's a normal time to have sex, but then she also asks if her dad is depressed because she found these pills that have her dad's name on him, and her mom says that money can't make you happy, like having a good job won't make you happy, and her dad hasn't been happy for a long time. And after that they're at our lady bird and Jenna are at Jenna's house. Then they're swimming and Jenna explains that she doesn't ever really want to leave sacrament or she likes it there and she wants to be a mom and have her kids grow up the same way she did, while Ladybird's like I have to get out of here, like I don't want to be here. and honestly, Jenna didn't seem that bad to me, like I thought she was going to turn out to be really, really mean. Yeah, but Jenna's just doesn't care about anything really. Yeah, and then the next day we're in math class and lady bird noticed is that Julie isn't there. She goes to find her at her like outside of class, and Julie won't talk...

...to her because, I mean, we haven't seen Julie in the movie for probably about like thirty minutes or whatever, because lady bird hasn't been treating her knife like, she hasn't literally just hasn't been talking to her at all. Yeah, she's instead hanging out with the quote unquote, cool kids. Yeah, and she she's like calls out her mom having having had her at nineteen. She basically called her a mistake. Yeah, pretty much. And then they're at this like abortion assembly, which I was I didn't know if that's actually a thing at Catholic schools. Yeah, which was crazy. And they a teach you from a very young age that if you have an abortion, usually the person speaking wouldn't be alive. Yeah, so the person speaking like tells a story about how this woman like was going to have one of them, something changed her mind and that baby was the woman standing there. And Lady Bird is like will say just because something looks bad doesn't mean it's morally wrong. And the woman speaking makes her say that in front of everybody, but she does, and then she gets suspended for it. Well, that's not why she got suspended. She got to spend it because she said, if your mother had the abortion, we wouldn't have to sit through this presentation. Yeah, yeah, and now she's home and her mom is just yelling at her because she suspended, and and her mom's like you don't appreciate anything, you don't realize how much it it costs to take to raise a child. And then lady birds like give me a number and whatever that number is later in like, I'll get a job and I'll pay you back for everything that it costs you raise me so I don't ever have to speak to you again. Awful. But then her mom, sorry, it's an awful thing to say, and they're arguing while her dad is just playing solitaire on the computer. Yeah, and then her mom's like no, you couldn't possibly get a job good enough to pay pay me back for everything that I've done for you. Awful again. Yeah. Then it's the next thing, and Lady Bridge just at home because she suspended, and Jenna calls the house phone and is like talking about how they left school earlier or whatever, and she's like guess where I am? I'm outside your house, and lady words like no, like leave it, you can't be there. Because Jenna goes to the Blue House. That's Danny's grandmother's, because that's where lady bird told her she's lips. And then Jenna comes to her real house and honestly, like the way, like she's upset that she had lied to her. She's like you you lie to me, like why would you do that? I like I wouldn't care, like you could have just told me, because you weren't honest. Like now I'm upset, which it's valid, like very valid. Shouldn't have she's also assuming something about her character. Look, yeah, she assumes that if Jenna found out she wasn't rich, that they wouldn't be friends and that she's really shallow. I would be offended if someone did that to me. Yeah, and Lady Word Asks Her if they're still friends. She's like like I guess, because I'll see you around, because you're still kyle's girlfriend or whatever, and I didn't know they were dating, but they never established exclusivity. Yeah, I guess they're eating. So then she's at Kyle's house and they're in his bed and making out whatever, and she's like I'm ready to have sex and he literally just like okay, cool, and also it's like maybe five seconds, literally five I wrote five seconds and then it's done and she's like wed flowers and then he's like well, I didn't, I didn't lose my virginity to you, and she's like like what. He's just like no, like, probably been with like maybe six people. Yeah, so she's really upset, and fully so, yeah, completely valid. And she asks him that they're still going to go to prom together and he's like sure, and that's all he says. And she walks out of his house and before she leaves, you see his dad in the living room like on an oxygen tank, which is Super Sad, but you kind of unders stand why he's so nonchalant about everything because, yeah, he if he had the capacity to care about everything. Like, think about having the weight of your dad being in that condition on your shoulders. Yeah, I mean he just doesn't have room to care about anything else. Yeah, so then she just goes to sit outside and she waits for her well, she thinks her brother's...

...going to come pick her up, but it's her mom who comes to pick her up and she starts crying because she's really upset about it. And then this is a really like sweet moment. Her Mom's like do you want to go to our favorite Sunday activity. So what they do is they go to the open house, houses of a really fancy houses, I guess on the forty blocks, which is fun. And then she's at home again and the mail comes and it's letters from schools and she's declined from all the ones that the letters are except for one. She's put on the weight list. And then it's another day and she's with her dad. He goes to an interview for a new job. While they're leaving, she sees they see Miguel and he's applying for the same job. But his DAD's not upset. He's like proud. He's like go get them, like you can do this. And now that Lady Bird is back at school, she's in the main nun's office or whatever, and she's like she says she won't punish Lady Bird for the prank because she thought it was really funny. Honestly, gotta love her. She was like I did married Jesus. It wasn't recently though, it was like three years ago. But then she also says that reading her college essay, the way she speaks about Sacramento or writes about Sacramento shows how much she loves it, and Lady Birds like what, like, I hate Sacramento. I talked about how much I hate it, and she's like yeah, but you only talk about Sacramento and how much you want to leave. You give it so much attention. And then she asks this question that we all must reflect on. She says our love and attention the same thing, and if you apply that to her relationship with her mom it you can see the overlap between like Lady Birds Disdain for Sacramento and her mom's relationship with her. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. You can definitely see that. So then they're at the thrift store again and lady were just trying on prom dresses. But while they're trying on dresses they start to ladybroom put some home that she really likes and her mom's like, Oh, is that too pink? And then lady we were gets upset. She's like, why can't you just like say that you think it looks Nice on me? And Lady Bird asks her mom. She says like do you like me? Like I wish, like I know you love me, but like do you like me, which I think is everyone loves her kids, but do you like the person that they are, which is it's always an interesting thing to think about. Hm. And her mom doesn't even say yes. So then it's prom night and she's sitting inside waiting for Kyle to show up and he just honks and she gets in the car and Kyle and Jenna and some other guy are there, and then Kyle's on the phone or someone and he's like, you don't, let Sttch Prom and go to this other guy's house instead. M and ladybird first degrees to like be cool and then Kyle disses. Whatever song is on the radios. Crash into me, my Dave Matt Oh it is again, and then she's like you know what, no, like I I want to go to prom, like please drop me off at my friend's house. So she goes to Julie's house and it's a weird like Motel apartment thing again. Yah, I wrote that too. Why does she live in a motel in both movies? If, like, I don't know, it's like just California have these like motel lookting apartments. I don't know. There has to be something that we're missing. We've probably sounds so stupid to people who live in California to all our listeners, in case we don't have any listeners in California. We don't have any listeners. Yeah, but anyway, she gets there and Julie isn't dressed to go to prom all and she's been crying clearly and and I think it's just because, like she was like this was her senior prom. She's supposed to go with her best friend and they haven't spoken and it seems like months at this point. But then things turned around and they just like eat a whole block and cheese and then they're like let's go to prom. Honestly, the ideal night, and it makes me so sad because all these movies have prom. I want to go to prom and have a good time. Did you have? No, actually, you had an awful time at my senior from that's what I brought up. I said, so Julie and Lady Bird of dancing together at Prom. Super Cute. They take all these pictures. But then I wrote, remember when you were mad at me up prom because I didn't tell you I was having a good panic. It's yeah, that was a nice you were just straight up struggling and I was like where is Isabel, I had absolutely no idea...

...where you were. I was like having a breakdown. Okay, anyway. So then they leave Prom and Ladyburn like let's Jui know that she's had sex before, and they're just talking about that and how Julie isn't going to be around for the summer and is actually going to her dad resurface and she's going to spend the summer with her dad and she isn't going to college in the fall, which I don't there isn't an explanation. Why do we assume that something happened between her mom and David Wallace? Yeah, I think so, because earlier she had said that they were fighting. So maybe she can't afford it. Yeah, that might be it, and that maybe why she's living in the motel. HMM, maybe it isn't like apartment thing. I don't know, but anyway, then it's the we see the spring play. Lady birds there to support Danny, which is really nice, and then it's graduation. Then it's like the after graduation dinner. She's with her family and turns out Miguel got the job and then Danny shows up and just they're just like talking and then he asks lady where. He's like, Oh, did you hear about the weightless and Danny? Her mom didn't know. Danny spills the beans and she's upset about everything. And this is honestly, when I found out that this movie was set in two thousand and two, three, oh, because I because nine hundred and eleven. Yeah, and I was like Oh what. But her mom won't talk to her, like lady bridge trying to apologize. Her mom just will not talk to her and she's like begging her to say something. And it's months. They don't talk for months. Yeah, but meanwhile she's keeping busy by working two jobs. She also passed her drivers test. Yeah, her mom doesn't even wish her happy birthday. I know. It's so sad. Like she's in bed on her birthday and then her dad knocks and he brings a cupcake with the candle and she's like all, you remembered my birthday, which is Super Sad. Be Like of course I remember your birthday. And they split the Cupcake, which is cute, but also I love that they're they're showing that she's acme scars, yeah, which is like it makes it more believable that she's in high school, but it's also just like good to see you know. So then it's her birthday and she goes to like a gas station store and she buys cigarettes and a playgirl and a lottery ticket. She's like it's my birthday, like I can do this now. And then she goes home and in the mail there's a big packet, and you know if you get the big packet in the mail, that means you got in somewhere for school. Yeah, when she's really excited. So she goes. So whatever school it is that this packet is from, because we don't know. They just like won't tell us. I know it's something cool in New York, though. So then lady bird is packing to leave and we see her mom like trying to write a note, but she keeps tearing it off and crumpling it. And then they're driving to the airport and her mom won't take her in. She's like barely even says goodbye to her and her mom just drives away and she starts crying. I thought there was going to be some violent crash scene. Yeah, but it turns out there's no crash. She just turns around and like goes and parks and like tries to run in to say goodbye to lady bird, but she's already gone. Her Dad already took her to security. But then she's in New York and she's dragging her suitcases up the subway station and she gets their room and is, I'm her dorm room and is unpacking and her dad had flipped something into her suitcases when they first got to the airport and she opens it and it's all in all the versions of the notes from her mom that she'd been trying to write, which is which is sweet that she front like her mom wasn't going to send them, but her dad like kept them and gave them to her. HMM. We also find out that, like it's kind of implied that Miguel was adopted, but we also find out that lady bird is their biological daughter and that she was kind of a miracle. Yeah, but on her first I guess it's probably her first night in New York, she's like walking through the streets and she ends up going to a party and she asks this random guy if he believes in God and he says No. You may think that's weird for someone to like straight up like their opening flirting line is do you believe in God? But that has happened to me before. Maybe it's a common occurrence. But he also been asks her for her name and she says that her name is Christine. But anyway, they're just hanging out and then she like leans out a window and is looking at the sky and then she like calls out for Bruce, which is the star that her and Danny names, and then she starts making out with a guy, but then she vomits and gets picked up and an ambulance and is taken to the hospital. That happens to a lot of people on their first...

...night of college. They get transported. She's just weird. It shows how messed up drinking culture is. And the US yeah, and they're just like what do you want us do with her? She's drunk, like there's nothing else to do. She's gotta sleep it off. But when she wakes up she sees a little boy in the hospital, but she's walking through the street and she ends up going into a church and there's a choir singing and as she leaves she calls home but no one picks up, so she leaves a message for everyone, but she says dad. This is mostly like a message for mom and she asks her about what she felt the first time she drove through Sacramento and basically just thanks her for everything that she did for her, and then it ends. My question for you, his Um. Do you think that lady bird is going to survive in New York for four years at college, or do you think she'll move home? No, I had a feeling she would move home like right after the like after the party first. Well, honestly, actually write as she moved in, I kind of felt like she would go back home, but then after church I felt like that really she just realized that she discipline where she wanted to be. Did you have a similar thought process? Yeah, I think it's good too, I guess get out there and explore, because you'll always be wondering what if, but it's good to know that she can always go home. Yeah, and I think she would have a better relationship with her mom if she went home. Like I think even just that day she like realize how she had been acting. In that there can be growth within that relationship, which would be good for them to have. Okay, but like, honestly, overall I really liked this movie. I appreciated how accurately high school is portrayed. Like, obviously there are some exaggerations, but for the most part I really liked how everyone looked like they're in high school, they acted like they're in high school. And, yeah, it shows that you can have a really good movie that's not ridiculous and doesn't have these extreme views of high school. Yeah, I thought it was I really like I thought it was very relatable. I also appreciated that it was only an hour and a half. Yeah, like, I feel like everyone thinks movies have to be so long now. But yeah, I really liked it. I really like anything by Gretigor wake. I think she's a really great director. Sam, she deserves more. She deserves so much more. She should have at the very least been nominated for best director. Yep, we're in. Shows are not diverse in any way. NOPE, they suck. My God, the delay. There's a rather large delay now. Yep, there we go. Okay, well, I think this means we should end it. Yes, I agree. Yeah, if you you know, we're just I'Ven gonna do the the social media thing. You know what to do. Follow us on Instagram if you even got to this way, the shadow, if you even got to this point. Thank you. Oh my God, the delay are the Oh my God, hopefully this works and we didn't just waste two hours. All Right, by guy. Hey, congratulations, you've made it to the end of our podcast. We hope you enjoyed listening. How have we never seen this before? Is produced by is Bo barone. The music is by Scott Holmes. The podcast art is by Michael Beaumont over at monitor comics, and our social media is run by Lauren Cola. Thanks for listening.

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