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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 3, Episode 7 · 1 year ago

Moxie: "When I Was 16, All I Cared About Was Smashing The Patriarchy!"

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In Season 3, Episode 7, Lauren and Isabel discuss the new Netflix original movie, Moxie!

Join us as we discuss, how we stan Seth as an ally, how we wish Lucy was the main character, and how there was a HUGE lack of intersectionality. Also in this episode, we make up our own MadLibs!

Make your own MadLibs here: https://www.madtakes.com/index.php

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And shoutout to Michael Beaumont (@monitorcomics) for the AMAZING artwork!

Hi Everyone, welcome back to how we never seen this before. This week we discussed the Netflix original Moxie. Join us as we discuss how we stand seth as an ally, how we wish Lucy was actually the main character of this movie and how there was a lack of intersectionality. So this week we watch Moxie, which is a new movie that came out by Amy Polar. I think it came out two weeks ago, kind of brand new. Yeah, it's based off of a pretty famous book. Any polar directed it, but the person who wrote the book is Jennifer Matthew. It's spelled funky because spelled French. Yeah, before we start talking about our movie, we were trying to decide like what game we wanted to play today. So we settled on Mad libs, and these are all on what is it called? Mad takes, mad tapscom okay, so which one are we doing? First, be kind. Okay. So first you've got to now, okay, is if we're going to do this. One only has a few so we have to make them good, target shop in cart, good, good. That's part. I can I type day poural Noun. If we did gingers. Okay, another noun. Oh, what did I have today? Oh, milk shaking espresso. Okay, I didn't like it. Like it was fine, but they put cinnamon on top and I don't really like cinnamon. So please. What about the Hershey Chocolate factory? Okay, that's a good one. Adjective. I guess we'll go with squeamish then. Okay, that looks so weird. Yeah, it doesn't look great. Um, nown sweep PO potato. So dehydrated sweet potato. Okay, okay, go mad. Be kind to your target shopping cart footed gingers. Oh my God, can you imagine that? For for a duck, maybe somebody's OAT? Milk Shaking Espresso. Be kind to your gingers in Hershey chocolate, hers, Hershey Chocolate Factory, where the weather is always squeamish. You may think that this is a dehydrated sweet potato. Well, it is great to do, really good. Do you want to do one more? There's start all over, Hannah Montana. Yeah, yeah, okay, now I think that we should we should go with vasiline this. Okay. Verb. Munch much. I'm scared. Another Noun About Margharita? Okay, verb ending. An Ed collided okay, that's good. Please tell me you're not reading after we collided. No, I was just thinking how and I was like the a car just passed. There's a lot of like car crashes at my street corner. Oh Nice, yeah, like really positive. Yeah, swiffer, because swift for me. Now a verb Um. Yes, you for the floor. You can swift or something. But what? You can't just do things that you see in your room. I do not see a swiffer in my room. Okay, you can't look at dust and be like swiffer. Why not? Because, listen, I feel like that was absltly something. We need something for caught. This is about content here. Smush, Oh, mush is. Okay, I don't want you to feel discouraged. I just want you to dig deep. I get my brain. Okay. Now can we do some effer? Sure, adjective obscure. Now how about toenail clipper? Okay, you definitely see that. No, I don't. Adjective sexy. Okay, verb...

...ending in Ed. These are Funnier, like the weirder and like the like, not dirtier, but like the more like bathroom talk. There is this. This is funnier. Okay. Now I'm just thinking of things in a bathroom. So that's not what I mean. I know that's not what you mean, but that's my head. Goats. Should you sucked? Do that one sucked, like say, like with the tea sucked. Yeah, Suck Dia, because I know, I know, like but like I fellow you over empathy. You say it no, no, you say it no. I know I'd say the same way. The fine sucked. You's saying with I know, I it just sounded funny. Body part, arm, pay hair. Good. Thank you. We instead of Tonail Clipper, can we do Timothy Shallow Mats Tonail Clipper? Yeah, and that's all. So we're just gonna go mad start all over. Hannah Montana, it's like playing in my heads. I'm going to try not to sing it. I have to wonder if this vasiline's too big to ride. Munch or not. Munch in such a crazy Margarita. It's sooner than I thought, but you collided me out. I've lost control and there's no egg plant. I'M gonna smush all over out of the swiffer and into the swiffer again. You make me want to forget and Smush all over. Here I come obscure out of my mind, or we I don't actually remember how the song goes, or worse, another Timothy Shallow as tonail clipper to get burned and smash all over. I'M gonna smush all over the fantastic and sexy all a big surprise. You've got the warning. Hesitation. Sucked aside as. It's it's sooner that. It's sooner than I want, but you caught my armpit hair. I guess I'm ready now to smush. I'M gonna smush all over. Yes, that was way more stressful than we thought, I guess. So we're going to the movie out. Apologies that took so long. Maybe it won't. It won't take for you guys. It will not take this for us, I guess. Before we start, just a warning that we will be talking about sexual assault, because that does occur in this movie and is sort of a reoccurring theme. But Anyway, into the movie on that bright now. Okay, there are a couple things that don't make sense to me in this movie or I don't like. But there are a few things that I don't like, so it's okay this see. Okay, I don't really get this part this run. The opening scene is the main character bivy and running through the woods. Why? Like, I like, okay, like, I don't think anything about it. But then there's like one flash to running through the woods and then at the very end she's running through woods, but I don't see how it connects. Maybe I just like missed it. I understand what they're trying to do and it's probably a bigger deal in the book, but their visual storytelling here was a bit off in my opinion, because I get it like they open with this girl running in the woods. She tries to scream but she can't, which is, I guess, a metaphor for the main character, Vivian. She feels like helpless in a situation. So by the end of the movie it shows so she's dreaming and then by the end of the movie it shows her being able to scream in that dream. That rhymed. I don't it didn't need to try. So I get that, but I think it would have just been more effective because after that it shows her working on her personal essay to UC Berkeley and it's asking her like what causes she cares about. So I think it would have been more effective for them to have cut out the wood scene, just open with her struggling to figure out what she wants to write about, mention it like halfway through the movie again, and then end with her having written that personal statement about everything that she learned in the movie. That would, yeah, a more effective yeah, this it's just like seemed very like I thought something is going to come from this and then like nothing happened. So I thought that would definitely be more effective. I agree. HMM. Yeah, because it's just random at the beginning and then random at the end, and I like get that it's...

...supposed to be a metaphor, but it just it just didn't fit. I will say that this is the part that archie was intrigued by. He liked the woods. So you got a thumbs up from a three month old puppy. So Great. Yeah, but yeah, so that's kind of like the whole beginning of the movie. Actually it's Vivian's first day of eleven grade. All these people look super old to be in high school. Just going to say it. They're probably thirty year old. Actually, Vivian looks like she could be in high school. Really, I thought feel kind of old. She looks exactly like this girl that I knew for like my freshman year of college, except like a little younger, and so like I feel like she looks like like the age range. HMM, I guess it's like subjective. But so we kind of like here that there's this ranking system going around the school, ranking girls. I don't know if there's boys on the list as well. Um, all right, kind of like who's it's like who is the best chat? I don't remember exactly what they all were, but like best chess. There's like most Bangable, the way that you said best chess, right, I know, I know, I forget the the other ones. It's like the biggest. But but it's like a list of all the girls obedient. That wasn't there. But yeah, so there's this underlying like kind of fear of like where you're going to be on this this ranking list and what you're gonna get. We we kind of meet a bunch of characters at the beginning. So we have Viv in the main character. Her best friend is Claudia. One of Vivian's friends name is seth, spoiler. She has a crush on him, and then there's also Tessa. Oh No, I'm sorry, Emma, played by Jesupi Langford, who was Tessa in after and Lucy, who is a new girl. I think they're kind of the main characters. Yeah, but at the beginning it's important to note that Vivian doesn't really have any friends besides Claudia, and they have this whole, like their whole features planned together, which something that bothers me so much is probably that I was going to bring this up. But in all of these like teenage coming of age movie set in California, it's always the same thing. It starts off with this girl who doesn't know what her personal essay is gonna be. She's applying to, you see, Berkeley, specifically spend college with their best friend or boyfriend, and the movies about their struggle and they at the end, they always find something to write their personal essay about. Yeah, that happened in to all the boys I've loved before. It happened in what's SMART, Book Smart Happened Ladyburn, I think it was. Yeah, Lady Bird to leave bird. What's the really bad? The Kissing booth and like fun, like what? Can you just pick another school? There are more colleges than you see Berkeley, people come on like do you think that you see Berkeley, like they like pay be? You think they pay for it? I mean, like it's can't be. They can't just like all be like Oh, yeah, you see Berkeley, that's the one to go to, like I mean, yeah, it's a good school. There's lots of other good schools in California. Yeah, and there's others. Other states do their saw. It's just yeah. So we go, Oh, I forgot about one person, and that one person is Mitchel, the annoying white guy. You can like kind of clearly see from the beginning he's just garbage. And if you don't rewatch the movie, please, if you don't the problem. Yeah, so we're in English class and they're talking about the only book eleventh grade English ever reads, the Great Gatsby. We didn't read that and all, I don't know. I didn't read it either, but like, I know everyone else has read that book. I'm pretty sure we read that and like my class at least read that in ninth grade. I never read it and I know everyone else did. You've read it like on your own right? No, I never read Bro need to read it. Why? Because it's it's important to history. Why have you seen the movie? Yeah, I think I want to school trip to see it. I feel like it's important to understanding the s. Why do you read any book? I have not read a book in years. This is like you're bad at...

...met you know, like you've ever, like you just get like burn out from having to constantly read for class. That's why you don't read for class and then you read for pleasure only. except I have to read thing class. I had to read for class. I literally never did and I did well in school. I have a book report do next week, so I have you have book reports in College? I have. This is like my third one. What do you want? Why are they we feel it's only a book report. It's like a a review, same thing. That's the same thing. Yeah, you should just spark notes. I don't think he's go sparkness anyway. Moving on. We don't endorse cheating in school. Yeah, no, no, do your work. Do you're reading, but don't be if you actually took the time to do every reading. Okay, I don't do every like I skim. Like you learn how to Skim. I've seen someone break down the calculations. If you were to do every single reading that you're assigning college, there would literally not be enough hours in the day for you to ever sleep it. You physically cannot do it. Yeah, every for my one class, every class, like I coast two times a week, it's thirty pages, like that's the like minimum, and then she's like, oh, it's going to be along one this week and then it's like sixty pages, like that's isn't that the point of view? Being the teacher here, you're supposed to teach instead of having your students read. It's a lot. This is moving on anyway. So we're in this class, English class, and we kind of see that everyone likes Mitchell, even though he's kind of awful. He's like he's actually awful and like the teachers are like, Hey, that's Mitchell, like they the principle doesn't care about anything that he does because he's just like a big like booster for the school. But like he's like he's a guy, the face of the school. Yeah, and after class, like he and during Class Mitchells like bullies Lucy for speaking up, and we later see them in the lunch room, cafeteria, I guess, and he like tries to flirt, like sort of flirt with Lucy and like touch her and she's like don't touch me, like what are you doing? And then he slams his hand on a like bending machine. He's like, I was just getting the drink and then he spits in it and gives it to her. Then are gross and yeah, it's awful. And what's worse, I'd say, is that she goes to the principles, like he is harassing me, and the principles like no, no, no, he's bothering you. He's not harassing you, he just bothering you. If you use bother I don't have to do anything about it. She just dismisses the whole thing and like basically just like redirects her and it's like, Oh, you know what I see here, you like music, I'm going to sign you up from marching band. And do you know, same exact thing happened to me in elementary school. This boy was taking on me and I went to like the teacher about it and instead of making him have consequences for his actions, they sent us to pure mediation, basically meaning that both parties did something wrong, where I was literally just minding my own business and this boy came up to me and started like bothering me or harassing me. Actually, sorry, I didn't mean to use the word bother and they were like, they were like can you agree to stop bothering her and everything will be fine, and he's like yeah, and then it did nothing. Literally the exact same situation happened before my very own eyes. To me, it's like when people say like boys will be boys and no, like that's not excusable. Go I mean girls should act that way either to anyone else. So like what, like why can't you just teach, teach anyone to be respectful, you know, because if you're saying boys will be boys when it comes to stuff like that, then it creates this kind of mentality that men don't really have to have consequences for their actions as adults. You started off young, obviously it's going to be a thing when they're adults too. So you have like men doing awful things to women and getting away with it because boys will be boys. Yeah, anyway to see it. Okay, so up next. School is now over and Vivien is being really mean to her mom. Her mom is played by any pollar. I don't think we talked...

...about I don't think we did any pollars. Acting in this movie is, I hate to say it, it's trucious. I just I don't know why. I just can't get on board with it. What do you do? You think it's good? I don't think it's like awful. I don't know. It just like kind of feels like it's just her. That makes maybe I think it was like her but with less personality. Yeah, I feel like I would have liked to learn more about her character. Like she seems like she was like super cool. Yeah, and in the same her seem like kind of one dimensional. Yeah, okay, but yeah, so her mom is she's being mean to her mom and they're at the grocery store and her mom's a single mom. Vivian's dad doesn't really want anything to do with them. He's he married someone else already. He's like moved on, which is awful. But this man comes up to Vivian's mom and starts flirting with her. They're like work buddies. Ivian's like that man was flirting with you and it was awkward. It's the guy like agent Colson, I think this is his name, in Marvel, Oh okay, I don't really not familiar with his work, but okay. So yeah, next she's trying to write her personal statement, but she cannot figure out a cause that she cares about. So at school the next day, Vivian Finds Lucy in the Hallway and tells her to keep her head down and just don't let Mitch Bother her. And of course Lucy's like, there's no way I'm doing that. I'm not going to keep my head down, I'm just let this kid bother me. I'M gonna speak out. Just good for her. Later that night Vivian finds out that her mom spent her time as a teen crushing the Patriarchy and of revel like feminist group. She even had her own like feminist Zine and she really liked the band Bikini kill, which is really good band, and I think like this moment kind of like I wrote it, like radicalized her. So they go go to a pepper rilly then next day and she really starts to notice all the problematic things that the boys are doing, the fact that they can come in and take their shirts off, they actually go up and like hit the girls on their butts and there's no repercussions for any of their actions and it's like really upsets her. And at this pepper ally the ranking list comes out and the list comes out and all everyone checks it, like it's like the pepperrelliy doesn't even matter anymore. Everyone's checking their phones to look at the lists. We see one of the one girl, she the girl who's like got the best the best chest. She like zips up her jacket immediately and there's a new like ranking on the list. It's not like a ranking list, it's more like awful superlatives. I guess you could say sexist superlatives. Yeah, so may being gets most obedient, and then Emma, the Tessa Sheet, Tessa, she gets most bangable. And then the newest one on the list. It's the biggest. Say It, see we're yeah, the biggest sea word. And that goes to Lucy because, because she turned him down and she like cut him off and class and whatever. Lucy, as soon as she sees it, takes to the principle and the principle completely dismisses it. She's like, oh no, I don't understand that. I don't understand social media. She's like no, like do you see this and this has been going around the school every year, so it's not like it's chef really new. She's she'd had to have known about it, and this like this is her moment, her vous the moment. Yeah, so she storms out of the pepper alley, goes home and makes her own zine and calls it Moxie, and she makes fifty copies of it and puts it in like sneaks into school the next morning and puts it in the girl's bathroom and she went as soon as she like gets in there to distribute the magazines, she runs into the stall because there's other girls that come into the bathroom and they see it on the counter and they like, oh my gosh, this is like really cool, like standing up for all the girls who have been harassed by Mitchell, and it makes you feel really good because she didn't know if other people would feel the same way that she was. We see that Mitchell somehow got a copy and he's saying that he's harassing Lucy again, saying that she wrote it. Well, he took her coffee. Oh okay, well, Mitchell took your copy and he harasses Lucy because like at like saying that she wrote it because on the list is like are on the the Zine is like worst guys. I don't know, eject what it says, but like worse guys at right as a rock port, I think it's rock port, and like he's number one. I'm he's like, Oh, you wrote this because you hate me and whatever. I personally think that I would have punched him at that very moment. He was being so rude, like...

I would have punched him. Yeah, what's like? I think I at this point we all see that Claudia just like Vivian's best friend. We have them much here, too much, but she just doesn't get it. Not like doesn't get it, but doesn't. Isn't radicalized in the same way that Vibyan is, and it kind of disappoints Vivian. It's like not see her getting, as I guess, angry about what's going on. She's they're both introverts, with Claudi's much more so. I'd say that Claudia isn't as outspoken and she has a lot of internalized misogyny, but she explains why later. Yeah, yeah, and Claudiad like there's this thing that Vivian wrote in in the Zine and says like tomorrow, put is it hearts and stars, or like yeah, these hearts and start hearts and stars on your hand to show your support. That's what laud he's like, I don't like want to do that. That's kind of the first moment that Vivian's like, oh, that's kind of like. Why won't you do that? No one knows. It's Vivian. I've Forgepe to say that, like no one knows who created moxie. Yeah, so the next day people were kind of supposed to draw in their hands in support of the women at the school, but when Vivian first arrived, no one that she seems so far has done it. So she goes into the bathroom to wash it off until she sees the soccer team, who is kind of you've seen in scenes before them, getting angry at the fact that male athletes get so much more attention than women's sports, which is a real thing that happens obviously everywhere, everywhere. And so she sees that the soccer team had drawings on their hands and then a bunch of other girls have them too, and then she also sees that Seth, the skater boy, who she has a crush on he drew on his hands. Yes, King, we love a supportive boy, we love an ally. He also, during class, invites her to a party and during this class at the principle comes in and this girl gets dress coded for having big boobs and has to go home. And so she was wearing a tank top and the girl next to her was also wearing a tank top, but because her boots were bigger, she apparently was being more sexualized and, quote unquote, distracting to the boys, which is a real thing that happens at schools, but that that like that kind of made me happy to have gone to the high school that we went to, because I feel like it was kind of the opposite, like we were given way more freedom than the boys were, in a sense, like I would always show up to school with like really short skirts on, like dresses, and the boys would always have to wear like Polos or like Blazers with a tie on Mondays and you know, like we could get away with more and they weren't even allowed to have their hair long. Yeah, I I think like our case, like it's very different than at a public school, where they technically have more freedom with what they wear, although now they like literally wear whatever they want. There's no blazers ever. It's so weird and I'm like like it's not fair. Well, wow, listen, I think having a uniform kind of like helped me get my life together, because then you didn't have to like we were always seen wearing like the same things and like there's never like a horrible fashion trend that we've participated in at school. Yeah, that's true, but yeah, I was just like looking at this and kind of thankful that, like we went to a high school where, like, the the boys had a stricter dress code than the girls. There is. There's one thing I'll say about that, though. Given my body type, a skirt that I would wear, I would. I have I and I was like told that that I was too short or too tight, when someone else wore something even shorter and even tighter and they weren't called out because their body is different than mine. They told you that your skirt was too short. MMM, but we're in the rule book. Did it ever say that we had a limit for our skirts? That's arbitrary. That's so annoying. I didn't know that happened. Yeah, I remember I was walking to the gym. That's so annoying. I'm sorry. I was like, I'm great, I care, but like it, like, but it happened, and I think that's just because I'm I look different. Why am I getting called out and someone else is doing the exact same thing, if not quote unquote worse, you know. Yeah, I also remember like wearing black jeans every day instead of like Khaki's, and I was only ever like called out once for it, when, like my math teacher was like you, like are never in dress code. You realize that, like those are jeans. I have no idea what you're talking about, and...

...then she never brought it up again. It's like if it's like hard to find Khakis, though, and Khaki's that look good, right you, like we had to wear Khakis. That's so embarrassed anyway. Anyway. Anyway, so they're at the party later that day, after this girl gets literally taken out of school because she was wearing tank talk. There's one thing I didn't write down, but I noticed it. Mitchell's playing like beer pong or something with the two girls from the soccer team who who happened to be black, and he's like no, I don't want you to play anymore and two white girls come up. I don't know if they meant anything by that, but it made me think. I don't know if you caught that, but it like happened in the background. It was like really hard. I didn't I didn't catch great right away. I thought that like they were winning and then he got mad. So I don't know, I don't know it. Anyway. So at this party these two soccer girls actually catch up with Claudia and Vivian and they're like come here, like we want to talk to you it. So they come into this room where Lucy is and the girl who got dress coded, another girl named Cj, and then I think there's someone else, but I can't remember the other person. But they kind of call it their first official MOXIE meeting. So they're all talking about like what are they going to do, like do we know who moxie is, and trying to like figure things out, and you can see that quaudy is like visibly kind of uncomfortable by the whole situation and you don't know why. And later that night we see Vivian making the next volume of Moxie and kind of the same process getting the copies going to school early, but she actually runs into seth there and he is now the only person who knows that she's the person who made Moxie and he's like, you know, like he's great. Ally they love Seth, Seth is the best, but he's like, you don't give me some, I'll put them in the boy's bathroom. I'm sure, like there are people that hate Mitchell as much as all the girls do. They want to help you, so he does. And what they're supposed to do this time, like the I guess call to action or whatever, is that they're all supposed to wear tank tops the next day to support I don't know what her name is. I never got anither names the yeah, the girl who got dress coded is yeah, for the girl who I just couldn'tvent, to a support. Again, we see Claudia being super hesitant kind of because of that VI and goes thrifting with Lucy. They get closer and Claudia kind of sees that she's kind of not losing her best room, but like she's becoming more yeah, she's getting some popularity. Yeah, yeah, but she tries to support her by wearing a tank top the next day. But her mom basically just yells at her for wearing it and she has to change. Listen, this is a lesson to anyone who is a young woman who may have parents who don't want them to dress a certain way. If you want a tip, you just wear you either packet in your bag and change in the bathroom before school starts, or you just wear like a sweatshirt or jacket over it and then they'll never know. Yeah, but we see that at all the other girls at school are wearing tank tops and and the boys are wearing them as well, and this is kind of like their first real fight, I guess, because vibe it's like, like, why wouldn't you wear that, like, why aren't you supporting Moxie and which she also like finds out that she she didn't catch her up on like what was going on with Seth and how like she really likes him and everything. And so that same day they're in home room English again, and the teacher, who is he? He's so familiar. He we have to look this up. Let's see. Let's see, Mr Davies. His name is like Baron Holtz. None of these. He was in vampire suck. No, that's definitely. Oh, he's a neighbors. Oh, he was a neighbors. Who Do you playing? He was in the lego movie to the disaster artist. Oh he wasn't. Suicide Squad, the angry birds movie. Cool, yeah, okay. So, yeah, so the English teacher looks familiar because he's in a lot of stuff that we've seen, and he is asked to comment on the the shirt situation and he says that he's staying out of it because it is a women's issue, and he's starting to fumble a bit because then like someone starts recording him and he's just basically like saying this blanket diversity statement that all schools, all public schools, probably train their teachers to say from and so...

...he's like I gotta go, I gotta go, and just walks out just so unprofessional, like who, what is he doing in the school? Yeah, so it's now the football game and Mitchell like wins a scholarship because he's uncontested. It's basically this scholarship to whatever school you want, and it's it's usually a football player, and so Mitchell like want it, but then all the girls are like no, like we have a nomination and it's Kiara, the captain of the girls soccer team, and so they all the girls stand up there, like I nominate her. I second that. Yeah, so it's it's now Kira Against Mitch and Claudia is sitting there while Vivian like speaks up and it's like I suck in that. Claudia feels left out and she leaves because she's like jealous and also sad. Yeah, so after so they fight about like why she won't, I guess, like stand up and like she didn't nominate and nothing really gets resolved at that point. But then step comes up and is like Hey, do you want to go for like a drive with me? And they go to a funeral home and they like pick out coffins and then they lay in a casket and listen to music. Like it's very weird, but like they kind of make a cute I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. I can't say I would be. I could be seduced in a funeral home. I can't say I could be. Yeah, yeah, probably not as they're going home or as he takes her home and he doesn't kiss her in the car or in the casket. But then he let he's like, oh my gosh, I just like ruin that and runs out before he gets in the door. And then they they kids in cute. But then so the next day they're having another Moxie meeting and while this is like in the locker room or something, and Emma Tessa is standing kind of around the corner while this is going on and she is like, Oh no, I'm just like grabbing my uniform, but like she's clearly listening. After that we kind of see it's I wrote it as like kind of big feminist moments for everyone. We see CJ, who is a trans woman, audition for the musical when she previously are was I wasn't sure if it was like she just felt she wouldn't be accepted or they weren't letting her. Yeah, I think they weren't letting her and they were also using her dead name. Ah, okay, okay, wow, I didn't that's the only one I wrote down, but there were other things that happen. Then it kind of all comes to a climax. So learning of comes with climax when Claudia comes up as kind of as like a waving the white flag, like I like an apology, sort of, I'd say. She says, I've registered Moxie as a club with the school, because you wouldn't be able to do all the things you're doing, unless you be kicked out, if you weren't registered as a club. And she she joins, basically and tells bibby and that she's nowhere near as outspoken as she is and she she wants to be part of this, but in her way and that's going to be a lot more subtle, or so she thinks. Yeah, okay. So next the moxie girls decide to have this party and this middle school girl band is performing and they're honestly everything that we wish, that we really real wrote. I said this is exactly what we were trying to be him. We weren't. Those girls are so talented. And then like we're like in our girl band in high school, like Yikes, yeah, so you know, they're just killing the game here and we will never be like them, but that's okay. So now at school Mitchell speaks on morning announcements and says that Moxie is targeting him, which is just funny coming from him, because he targets all of the girls at school. So love that for him and it sucks because Kara didn't get the opportunity to do the same thing, like she didn't get the opportunity to like speak during her campaign in front of the whole school like Mitchell did. Next, seth is meeting Vivian's mom. She's being so mean to him, but like in the classic, like stereotypical like mom and movie way. You know. She's like Ah, like, I see, you got me ice cream that my daughter bought, obviously, and it's just not very accepting of their relationship, but that's what parents do. I feel like she's accepting. She's just like messing with him, to be she's just trying to embarrass him, humble him, you know. Yeah, she like also says like Oh, weren't you the kid that Pete's pants at the at the museum in First Grade? You know, men deserve to be humbled. So yeah, if there's anything that they they don't lack,...

...it's the audacity. So yes, so seth in Viv then go to the football game. They make out in the car first and it's steamy, like literally literally, and then they go to the football game. Sadly, Kara loss the competition. When she goes home like she's drunk because she like got really mad about everything that happened. Again, creates a new MOXY Zene and also makes stickers that say yeah, okay, the stickers say you're an Asshole, and she actually gets taking to the principal's office. She's like who, who is this, like do you may idea? She denies it. She's like I don't know. But instead Claudia gets suspended from Moxie because she goes and covers for Vivian and says that it was her that started it. So she suspended. She actually she viving. Finds out from Lucy. Lucy says like Oh, she took one for the team, isn't it? Gray? And Vivian's just mad because, like no, like she's my best friend, like I wouldn't want this to happen to her. Like she doesn't say, Oh, she's covering for me, but insinuated, I guess. And like getting suspended as a huge deal for Claudia because her parents will find out. Like will explain it a bit, but her parents are super strict. Yeah, so she does baby and goes right to Claudia's house. This can worry find out like how how big of a deal it is for her and why she hasn't been, like wouldn't stepping up. I guess because her her parents are immigrants and they've worked really hard for her to even be able to go to school and go to a be able to apply and go to really good college, and she just can't risk that and she just doesn't understand, because FIBBIAN is white and because she doesn't have to worry about, I guess, the racial implications of her actions. She caused her a coward for not stepping up when it was finally time to like really step up, which is now, and I feel like that makes her spiral. HMM. And this is the part of the movie that I had like a huge problem with. They bring up these instances. We're like that, like every woman could relate to, with like little to like no nuance, and I think that the fact that they also like have this movie through the eyes of assists white woman is like what does that? What does that do to like further the conversation? That's exactly that's what I wrote at the end of the movie. Like that was like my big problem, like why does it have to be started by a a white girl? I don't know. I feel like they're like, Oh, if, if it's a if it's a black girl, then they'll be this angry black woman trope, and I I think a black woman should be the leader of this movement, like Lucy should be the leader. She's she's incredibly strong, like it's like why does it have to be a blond, blond hair, blue eyed white girl, you know. Yeah, and the fact that the only character that really develops in this is like think about Claudia, is a static character. She has this one aspect of her personality, that's her whole character. Lucy has this one aspect of her personality, her strength, that is her whole character, and then the only person that grows and changes throughout it is Vivian. And so it's like I wish that this movie were through Lucy's perspective, because then it would show her being vulnerable, like it would show that, like, black women don't have to be played this strong character all the time. And it's just funny to me because she's she plays this really strong character, like a secondary character with with no development, but then you still have white Savior Vivian. Yeah, like everything with this movie does, then it's just like a white savior complex and you're like wow, okay, never mind. Yeah, like what do you like? What do they think that they're doing to like further the conversation here and the fact that this whole conversation with Claudia is through Vivian's perspective, that's not like helping that much. It's great seeing like what Claudia is going through and how, like her experience can relate to like so many women in the US with like immigrant parents, but the fact that we're learning about it through Vivian's perspective is like yeah, and Vivian's like, I feel like she's incredibly defensive about it as well. Yeah, instead of her being like I didn't see that before, like I'm so sorry, like she was just she just stormed off and like throw a hissy fit. Yeah, she's like no one's helping me. Like literally, you have the entire school behind you. Yeah, what are you doing? You're the leader of an anonymous group and and someone else took the fall for you. Oh my gosh, that's and she...

...couldn't even be honest with Claudia. I know what Vivian's the worst. Yeah, I at this point I was just like, I'm Dad, I've done with you, starting at Vivian hate page. So once she like really spirals. Everyone's like mad at her, she's mad at the world. No one's talking. She's not talking to say, she's not really talking to Claudia, she's not talking to anyone involved with moxing. It's kind of come to a plateau that's sort of looking. But that's a good word spanning our vocabulary each and every episode. Yeah, but so seth doesn't want to talk to her, so she goes to the bathroom and there's just miraculously, a note from someone, like I don't know how she got it, like of course I don't know anyway, but the note says it's an an honous note from a girl saying that they the previous year they were raped and they didn't go to the police because they didn't know or they or anyone, because they didn't think they would be believed and they didn't know how to handle it. This is kind of another radicalization moment. I think for her it's kind of like her peak of the most that she will do. She on the front steps of the school that night. She Paints so the school's name is rock port and like ninety nine percent sure, but she puts rape port on the front steps and also makes a new episode, or episode, a new volume, I guess, of Moxie. That says we are going to walk out in the middle of whatever class period tomorrow in support that. That day in English class, the teachers like, if you walk out, you you can be expelled, like this is serious, but he shows on his hands he has the stars and the hearts. You know, we have warding them. We have to we have to stand a king that's willing to learn. Yeah, you know, he makes the mistakes in the past, but he's learning at this walk out pretty much like almost the whole schools up there, all the girls at least, are. There are some guys, and Vivian stands up on a ledge and admits that she is the leader of Moxie and she's the one who started it and that if anyone should get expelled, it should be her. And then everyone else pulls a radio rebel and it's like I'm Moxie, I'm Moxy, but instead of saying like I'm radio rebel, they just admit what they did to get expelled, which you know, can't say is very a new idea. We can't say it's a new idea. Debbie Ryan walked so that Vivian could run. Yeah. So then Emma stands up on the Ledge and says that she was the one who wrote the note and tells a story about how she was assaulted and then got voted the most bangable, which is just so awful. By Mitchell. Yeah, by Mitchell. Sorry, I forgot to mention that. And while all of this is going down, the principle who is not an ally is watching. But then she decides to pull Mitchell out of class and we don't really know the consequences. Yeah, something tells me there will be none. Yeah, then Claudia comes running into frame says that Vivian's mom drove her there. Vivian's mom is really proud and everything seems okay. She she made up with Seth. It ends with a montage of them partying instead of ending it with her finishing her personal essay. Yeah, like why I add that? Like again, like why I add that in and then never do anything with it? Yeah, if you're going to make UC Berkeley part of your your experience in high school, like, why not the just beat. That would make it full circle. I just yeah, but that's it. And then then, yes, the party looks really fun, though. Yeah, with the end. Yeah, you know, the party did look fun, except we have to cancel them because we're in a Pandora. But yeah, so, like my thing with the like I really liked it, except then I was like, well, this is just like a white savior complex movie. I feel like if presented it in a way that was very like like they only explain situations where it's very clear what to do, like what's right and what's wrong. They don't really delve deeper. Yeah, it's like it's a start, but there's still much more they could have done. I feel like this is like a good I think it could be a good introduction to feminism, like kind of movie it could be. It's like it's like you're standing on a street corner at a college campus and you're handing out brochures about feminism. Yeah, it's like a start.

It's not doing everything or no, it is like giving me every but it's getting there. Also, it's making it's all, putting it into this like really neat present, and it's like everything has an answer and everything has a solution. Yeah, when the solution is like very much white perspective, and a lot of the time there's it's not white perspective and there's a lot more gray area that you have to hmm. Yeah, through, I guess. Yeah. So, in conclusion, stand Lucy. Yes, we love Lucy. I Love Lucy, but I don't know, I feel like this movie is important to talk about this week because, of course it's women's history month, but also at the same time, we just like we've been seeing some devastating things in the news that it's bringing a lot of issues that are already around to light about how ninety percent of women in the ninety seven percent of women in the UK are sexually harassed and or assaulted, and the hate crime that just happened in Georgia. So, yeah, I don't know, movies like this are, I guess, important, but men are not watching this movie. Yeah, and this movie is very much like catered to white sis women. I think my final statement would be that while this movie brought brought up feminism, I think it didn't bring up, and I'm it did a little bit, but it didn't bring up intersecual feminism. In a way that. I think it could have. I think they touched on it with Claudia and a bit with Lucy, but I think they could, they could have done a lot more, and I think that starts with giving Lucy her own movie and giving the whole thing again from her perspective. I would a hundred percent watch that and even like CJ, it feels like they were just taking off boxes. Yeah, didn't go anyper. Also, I don't even think they maybe they gave her name, but they definitely didn't say it enough. But the one girl in marching band who was in a wheelchair, she they would always put her in the back, but that's like kid of all they they did about that. We see like. The thing is too, is that we see right through it. Yeah, like anyone watching that see's right through it. Archie sees right through it. Archie says down with the patriarchy. But this has been fun, well, has it been? I think it's been interesting. It's been interesting. If you enjoy US, feel free to follow us on social media. Our instagram is how we never podcasts. Right, if you just start how we never, we will most definitely come up okay by everyone, by.

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