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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 3, Episode 7 · 10 months ago

Moxie: "When I Was 16, All I Cared About Was Smashing The Patriarchy!"

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In Season 3, Episode 7, Lauren and Isabel discuss the new Netflix original movie, Moxie!

Join us as we discuss, how we stan Seth as an ally, how we wish Lucy was the main character, and how there was a HUGE lack of intersectionality. Also in this episode, we make up our own MadLibs!

Make your own MadLibs here: https://www.madtakes.com/index.php

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And shoutout to Michael Beaumont (@monitorcomics) for the AMAZING artwork!

Hi Everyone, welcome back to howwe never seen this before. This week we discussed the Netflix original Moxie.Join us as we discuss how we stand seth as an ally, how wewish Lucy was actually the main character of this movie and how there was alack of intersectionality. So this week we watch Moxie, which is a newmovie that came out by Amy Polar. I think it came out two weeksago, kind of brand new. Yeah, it's based off of a pretty famousbook. Any polar directed it, but the person who wrote the bookis Jennifer Matthew. It's spelled funky because spelled French. Yeah, before westart talking about our movie, we were trying to decide like what game wewanted to play today. So we settled on Mad libs, and these areall on what is it called? Mad takes, mad tapscom okay, sowhich one are we doing? First, be kind. Okay. So firstyou've got to now, okay, is if we're going to do this.One only has a few so we have to make them good, target shopin cart, good, good. That's part. I can I type daypoural Noun. If we did gingers. Okay, another noun. Oh,what did I have today? Oh, milk shaking espresso. Okay, Ididn't like it. Like it was fine, but they put cinnamon on top andI don't really like cinnamon. So please. What about the Hershey Chocolatefactory? Okay, that's a good one. Adjective. I guess we'll go withsqueamish then. Okay, that looks so weird. Yeah, it doesn'tlook great. Um, nown sweep PO potato. So dehydrated sweet potato.Okay, okay, go mad. Be kind to your target shopping cart footedgingers. Oh my God, can you imagine that? For for a duck, maybe somebody's OAT? Milk Shaking Espresso. Be kind to your gingers in Hersheychocolate, hers, Hershey Chocolate Factory, where the weather is always squeamish.You may think that this is a dehydrated sweet potato. Well, itis great to do, really good. Do you want to do one more? There's start all over, Hannah Montana. Yeah, yeah, okay, nowI think that we should we should go with vasiline this. Okay.Verb. Munch much. I'm scared. Another Noun About Margharita? Okay,verb ending. An Ed collided okay, that's good. Please tell me you'renot reading after we collided. No, I was just thinking how and Iwas like the a car just passed. There's a lot of like car crashesat my street corner. Oh Nice, yeah, like really positive. Yeah, swiffer, because swift for me. Now a verb Um. Yes,you for the floor. You can swift or something. But what? Youcan't just do things that you see in your room. I do not seea swiffer in my room. Okay, you can't look at dust and belike swiffer. Why not? Because, listen, I feel like that wasabsltly something. We need something for caught. This is about content here. Smush, Oh, mush is. Okay, I don't want you to feel discouraged. I just want you to dig deep. I get my brain.Okay. Now can we do some effer? Sure, adjective obscure. Now howabout toenail clipper? Okay, you definitely see that. No, Idon't. Adjective sexy. Okay, verb...

...ending in Ed. These are Funnier, like the weirder and like the like, not dirtier, but like the morelike bathroom talk. There is this. This is funnier. Okay. NowI'm just thinking of things in a bathroom. So that's not what Imean. I know that's not what you mean, but that's my head.Goats. Should you sucked? Do that one sucked, like say, likewith the tea sucked. Yeah, Suck Dia, because I know, Iknow, like but like I fellow you over empathy. You say it no, no, you say it no. I know I'd say the same way. The fine sucked. You's saying with I know, I it just soundedfunny. Body part, arm, pay hair. Good. Thank you.We instead of Tonail Clipper, can we do Timothy Shallow Mats Tonail Clipper?Yeah, and that's all. So we're just gonna go mad start all over. Hannah Montana, it's like playing in my heads. I'm going to trynot to sing it. I have to wonder if this vasiline's too big toride. Munch or not. Munch in such a crazy Margarita. It's soonerthan I thought, but you collided me out. I've lost control and there'sno egg plant. I'M gonna smush all over out of the swiffer and intothe swiffer again. You make me want to forget and Smush all over.Here I come obscure out of my mind, or we I don't actually remember howthe song goes, or worse, another Timothy Shallow as tonail clipper toget burned and smash all over. I'M gonna smush all over the fantastic andsexy all a big surprise. You've got the warning. Hesitation. Sucked asideas. It's it's sooner that. It's sooner than I want, but youcaught my armpit hair. I guess I'm ready now to smush. I'M gonnasmush all over. Yes, that was way more stressful than we thought,I guess. So we're going to the movie out. Apologies that took solong. Maybe it won't. It won't take for you guys. It willnot take this for us, I guess. Before we start, just a warningthat we will be talking about sexual assault, because that does occur inthis movie and is sort of a reoccurring theme. But Anyway, into themovie on that bright now. Okay, there are a couple things that don'tmake sense to me in this movie or I don't like. But there area few things that I don't like, so it's okay this see. Okay, I don't really get this part this run. The opening scene is themain character bivy and running through the woods. Why? Like, I like,okay, like, I don't think anything about it. But then there'slike one flash to running through the woods and then at the very end she'srunning through woods, but I don't see how it connects. Maybe I justlike missed it. I understand what they're trying to do and it's probably abigger deal in the book, but their visual storytelling here was a bit offin my opinion, because I get it like they open with this girl runningin the woods. She tries to scream but she can't, which is,I guess, a metaphor for the main character, Vivian. She feels likehelpless in a situation. So by the end of the movie it shows soshe's dreaming and then by the end of the movie it shows her being ableto scream in that dream. That rhymed. I don't it didn't need to try. So I get that, but I think it would have just beenmore effective because after that it shows her working on her personal essay to UCBerkeley and it's asking her like what causes she cares about. So I thinkit would have been more effective for them to have cut out the wood scene, just open with her struggling to figure out what she wants to write about, mention it like halfway through the movie again, and then end with herhaving written that personal statement about everything that she learned in the movie. Thatwould, yeah, a more effective yeah, this it's just like seemed very likeI thought something is going to come from this and then like nothing happened. So I thought that would definitely be more effective. I agree. HMM. Yeah, because it's just random at the beginning and then random at theend, and I like get that it's...

...supposed to be a metaphor, butit just it just didn't fit. I will say that this is the partthat archie was intrigued by. He liked the woods. So you got athumbs up from a three month old puppy. So Great. Yeah, but yeah, so that's kind of like the whole beginning of the movie. Actuallyit's Vivian's first day of eleven grade. All these people look super old tobe in high school. Just going to say it. They're probably thirty yearold. Actually, Vivian looks like she could be in high school. Really, I thought feel kind of old. She looks exactly like this girl thatI knew for like my freshman year of college, except like a little younger, and so like I feel like she looks like like the age range.HMM, I guess it's like subjective. But so we kind of like herethat there's this ranking system going around the school, ranking girls. I don'tknow if there's boys on the list as well. Um, all right,kind of like who's it's like who is the best chat? I don't rememberexactly what they all were, but like best chess. There's like most Bangable, the way that you said best chess, right, I know, I know, I forget the the other ones. It's like the biggest. But butit's like a list of all the girls obedient. That wasn't there.But yeah, so there's this underlying like kind of fear of like where you'regoing to be on this this ranking list and what you're gonna get. Wewe kind of meet a bunch of characters at the beginning. So we haveViv in the main character. Her best friend is Claudia. One of Vivian'sfriends name is seth, spoiler. She has a crush on him, andthen there's also Tessa. Oh No, I'm sorry, Emma, played byJesupi Langford, who was Tessa in after and Lucy, who is a newgirl. I think they're kind of the main characters. Yeah, but atthe beginning it's important to note that Vivian doesn't really have any friends besides Claudia, and they have this whole, like their whole features planned together, whichsomething that bothers me so much is probably that I was going to bring thisup. But in all of these like teenage coming of age movie set inCalifornia, it's always the same thing. It starts off with this girl whodoesn't know what her personal essay is gonna be. She's applying to, yousee, Berkeley, specifically spend college with their best friend or boyfriend, andthe movies about their struggle and they at the end, they always find somethingto write their personal essay about. Yeah, that happened in to all the boysI've loved before. It happened in what's SMART, Book Smart Happened Ladyburn, I think it was. Yeah, Lady Bird to leave bird. What'sthe really bad? The Kissing booth and like fun, like what? Canyou just pick another school? There are more colleges than you see Berkeley,people come on like do you think that you see Berkeley, like they likepay be? You think they pay for it? I mean, like it'scan't be. They can't just like all be like Oh, yeah, yousee Berkeley, that's the one to go to, like I mean, yeah, it's a good school. There's lots of other good schools in California.Yeah, and there's others. Other states do their saw. It's just yeah. So we go, Oh, I forgot about one person, and thatone person is Mitchel, the annoying white guy. You can like kind ofclearly see from the beginning he's just garbage. And if you don't rewatch the movie, please, if you don't the problem. Yeah, so we're inEnglish class and they're talking about the only book eleventh grade English ever reads,the Great Gatsby. We didn't read that and all, I don't know.I didn't read it either, but like, I know everyone else has read thatbook. I'm pretty sure we read that and like my class at leastread that in ninth grade. I never read it and I know everyone elsedid. You've read it like on your own right? No, I neverread Bro need to read it. Why? Because it's it's important to history.Why have you seen the movie? Yeah, I think I want toschool trip to see it. I feel like it's important to understanding the s. Why do you read any book? I have not read a book inyears. This is like you're bad at...

...met you know, like you've ever, like you just get like burn out from having to constantly read for class. That's why you don't read for class and then you read for pleasure only. except I have to read thing class. I had to read for class.I literally never did and I did well in school. I have abook report do next week, so I have you have book reports in College? I have. This is like my third one. What do you want? Why are they we feel it's only a book report. It's like aa review, same thing. That's the same thing. Yeah, you shouldjust spark notes. I don't think he's go sparkness anyway. Moving on.We don't endorse cheating in school. Yeah, no, no, do your work. Do you're reading, but don't be if you actually took the timeto do every reading. Okay, I don't do every like I skim.Like you learn how to Skim. I've seen someone break down the calculations.If you were to do every single reading that you're assigning college, there wouldliterally not be enough hours in the day for you to ever sleep it.You physically cannot do it. Yeah, every for my one class, everyclass, like I coast two times a week, it's thirty pages, likethat's the like minimum, and then she's like, oh, it's going tobe along one this week and then it's like sixty pages, like that's isn'tthat the point of view? Being the teacher here, you're supposed to teachinstead of having your students read. It's a lot. This is moving onanyway. So we're in this class, English class, and we kind ofsee that everyone likes Mitchell, even though he's kind of awful. He's likehe's actually awful and like the teachers are like, Hey, that's Mitchell,like they the principle doesn't care about anything that he does because he's just likea big like booster for the school. But like he's like he's a guy, the face of the school. Yeah, and after class, like he andduring Class Mitchells like bullies Lucy for speaking up, and we later seethem in the lunch room, cafeteria, I guess, and he like triesto flirt, like sort of flirt with Lucy and like touch her and she'slike don't touch me, like what are you doing? And then he slamshis hand on a like bending machine. He's like, I was just gettingthe drink and then he spits in it and gives it to her. Thenare gross and yeah, it's awful. And what's worse, I'd say,is that she goes to the principles, like he is harassing me, andthe principles like no, no, no, he's bothering you. He's not harassingyou, he just bothering you. If you use bother I don't haveto do anything about it. She just dismisses the whole thing and like basicallyjust like redirects her and it's like, Oh, you know what I seehere, you like music, I'm going to sign you up from marching band. And do you know, same exact thing happened to me in elementary school. This boy was taking on me and I went to like the teacher aboutit and instead of making him have consequences for his actions, they sent usto pure mediation, basically meaning that both parties did something wrong, where Iwas literally just minding my own business and this boy came up to me andstarted like bothering me or harassing me. Actually, sorry, I didn't meanto use the word bother and they were like, they were like can youagree to stop bothering her and everything will be fine, and he's like yeah, and then it did nothing. Literally the exact same situation happened before myvery own eyes. To me, it's like when people say like boys willbe boys and no, like that's not excusable. Go I mean girls shouldact that way either to anyone else. So like what, like why can'tyou just teach, teach anyone to be respectful, you know, because ifyou're saying boys will be boys when it comes to stuff like that, thenit creates this kind of mentality that men don't really have to have consequences fortheir actions as adults. You started off young, obviously it's going to bea thing when they're adults too. So you have like men doing awful thingsto women and getting away with it because boys will be boys. Yeah,anyway to see it. Okay, so up next. School is now overand Vivien is being really mean to her mom. Her mom is played byany pollar. I don't think we talked...

...about I don't think we did anypollars. Acting in this movie is, I hate to say it, it'strucious. I just I don't know why. I just can't get on board withit. What do you do? You think it's good? I don'tthink it's like awful. I don't know. It just like kind of feels likeit's just her. That makes maybe I think it was like her butwith less personality. Yeah, I feel like I would have liked to learnmore about her character. Like she seems like she was like super cool.Yeah, and in the same her seem like kind of one dimensional. Yeah, okay, but yeah, so her mom is she's being mean to hermom and they're at the grocery store and her mom's a single mom. Vivian'sdad doesn't really want anything to do with them. He's he married someone elsealready. He's like moved on, which is awful. But this man comesup to Vivian's mom and starts flirting with her. They're like work buddies.Ivian's like that man was flirting with you and it was awkward. It's theguy like agent Colson, I think this is his name, in Marvel,Oh okay, I don't really not familiar with his work, but okay.So yeah, next she's trying to write her personal statement, but she cannotfigure out a cause that she cares about. So at school the next day,Vivian Finds Lucy in the Hallway and tells her to keep her head downand just don't let Mitch Bother her. And of course Lucy's like, there'sno way I'm doing that. I'm not going to keep my head down,I'm just let this kid bother me. I'M gonna speak out. Just goodfor her. Later that night Vivian finds out that her mom spent her timeas a teen crushing the Patriarchy and of revel like feminist group. She evenhad her own like feminist Zine and she really liked the band Bikini kill,which is really good band, and I think like this moment kind of likeI wrote it, like radicalized her. So they go go to a pepperrilly then next day and she really starts to notice all the problematic things thatthe boys are doing, the fact that they can come in and take theirshirts off, they actually go up and like hit the girls on their buttsand there's no repercussions for any of their actions and it's like really upsets her. And at this pepper ally the ranking list comes out and the list comesout and all everyone checks it, like it's like the pepperrelliy doesn't even matteranymore. Everyone's checking their phones to look at the lists. We see oneof the one girl, she the girl who's like got the best the bestchest. She like zips up her jacket immediately and there's a new like rankingon the list. It's not like a ranking list, it's more like awfulsuperlatives. I guess you could say sexist superlatives. Yeah, so may beinggets most obedient, and then Emma, the Tessa Sheet, Tessa, shegets most bangable. And then the newest one on the list. It's thebiggest. Say It, see we're yeah, the biggest sea word. And thatgoes to Lucy because, because she turned him down and she like cuthim off and class and whatever. Lucy, as soon as she sees it,takes to the principle and the principle completely dismisses it. She's like,oh no, I don't understand that. I don't understand social media. She'slike no, like do you see this and this has been going around theschool every year, so it's not like it's chef really new. She's she'dhad to have known about it, and this like this is her moment,her vous the moment. Yeah, so she storms out of the pepper alley, goes home and makes her own zine and calls it Moxie, and shemakes fifty copies of it and puts it in like sneaks into school the nextmorning and puts it in the girl's bathroom and she went as soon as shelike gets in there to distribute the magazines, she runs into the stall because there'sother girls that come into the bathroom and they see it on the counterand they like, oh my gosh, this is like really cool, likestanding up for all the girls who have been harassed by Mitchell, and itmakes you feel really good because she didn't know if other people would feel thesame way that she was. We see that Mitchell somehow got a copy andhe's saying that he's harassing Lucy again, saying that she wrote it. Well, he took her coffee. Oh okay, well, Mitchell took your copy andhe harasses Lucy because like at like saying that she wrote it because onthe list is like are on the the Zine is like worst guys. Idon't know, eject what it says, but like worse guys at right asa rock port, I think it's rock port, and like he's number one. I'm he's like, Oh, you wrote this because you hate me andwhatever. I personally think that I would have punched him at that very moment. He was being so rude, like...

I would have punched him. Yeah, what's like? I think I at this point we all see that Claudiajust like Vivian's best friend. We have them much here, too much,but she just doesn't get it. Not like doesn't get it, but doesn't. Isn't radicalized in the same way that Vibyan is, and it kind ofdisappoints Vivian. It's like not see her getting, as I guess, angryabout what's going on. She's they're both introverts, with Claudi's much more so. I'd say that Claudia isn't as outspoken and she has a lot of internalizedmisogyny, but she explains why later. Yeah, yeah, and Claudiad likethere's this thing that Vivian wrote in in the Zine and says like tomorrow,put is it hearts and stars, or like yeah, these hearts and starthearts and stars on your hand to show your support. That's what laud he'slike, I don't like want to do that. That's kind of the firstmoment that Vivian's like, oh, that's kind of like. Why won't youdo that? No one knows. It's Vivian. I've Forgepe to say that, like no one knows who created moxie. Yeah, so the next day peoplewere kind of supposed to draw in their hands in support of the womenat the school, but when Vivian first arrived, no one that she seemsso far has done it. So she goes into the bathroom to wash itoff until she sees the soccer team, who is kind of you've seen inscenes before them, getting angry at the fact that male athletes get so muchmore attention than women's sports, which is a real thing that happens obviously everywhere, everywhere. And so she sees that the soccer team had drawings on theirhands and then a bunch of other girls have them too, and then shealso sees that Seth, the skater boy, who she has a crush on hedrew on his hands. Yes, King, we love a supportive boy, we love an ally. He also, during class, invites her to aparty and during this class at the principle comes in and this girl getsdress coded for having big boobs and has to go home. And so shewas wearing a tank top and the girl next to her was also wearing atank top, but because her boots were bigger, she apparently was being moresexualized and, quote unquote, distracting to the boys, which is a realthing that happens at schools, but that that like that kind of made mehappy to have gone to the high school that we went to, because Ifeel like it was kind of the opposite, like we were given way more freedomthan the boys were, in a sense, like I would always showup to school with like really short skirts on, like dresses, and theboys would always have to wear like Polos or like Blazers with a tie onMondays and you know, like we could get away with more and they weren'teven allowed to have their hair long. Yeah, I I think like ourcase, like it's very different than at a public school, where they technicallyhave more freedom with what they wear, although now they like literally wear whateverthey want. There's no blazers ever. It's so weird and I'm like likeit's not fair. Well, wow, listen, I think having a uniformkind of like helped me get my life together, because then you didn't haveto like we were always seen wearing like the same things and like there's neverlike a horrible fashion trend that we've participated in at school. Yeah, that'strue, but yeah, I was just like looking at this and kind ofthankful that, like we went to a high school where, like, thethe boys had a stricter dress code than the girls. There is. There'sone thing I'll say about that, though. Given my body type, a skirtthat I would wear, I would. I have I and I was liketold that that I was too short or too tight, when someone elsewore something even shorter and even tighter and they weren't called out because their bodyis different than mine. They told you that your skirt was too short.MMM, but we're in the rule book. Did it ever say that we hada limit for our skirts? That's arbitrary. That's so annoying. Ididn't know that happened. Yeah, I remember I was walking to the gym. That's so annoying. I'm sorry. I was like, I'm great,I care, but like it, like, but it happened, and I thinkthat's just because I'm I look different. Why am I getting called out andsomeone else is doing the exact same thing, if not quote unquote worse, you know. Yeah, I also remember like wearing black jeans every dayinstead of like Khaki's, and I was only ever like called out once forit, when, like my math teacher was like you, like are neverin dress code. You realize that, like those are jeans. I haveno idea what you're talking about, and...

...then she never brought it up again. It's like if it's like hard to find Khakis, though, and Khaki'sthat look good, right you, like we had to wear Khakis. That'sso embarrassed anyway. Anyway. Anyway, so they're at the party later thatday, after this girl gets literally taken out of school because she was wearingtank talk. There's one thing I didn't write down, but I noticed it. Mitchell's playing like beer pong or something with the two girls from the soccerteam who who happened to be black, and he's like no, I don'twant you to play anymore and two white girls come up. I don't knowif they meant anything by that, but it made me think. I don'tknow if you caught that, but it like happened in the background. Itwas like really hard. I didn't I didn't catch great right away. Ithought that like they were winning and then he got mad. So I don'tknow, I don't know it. Anyway. So at this party these two soccergirls actually catch up with Claudia and Vivian and they're like come here,like we want to talk to you it. So they come into this room whereLucy is and the girl who got dress coded, another girl named Cj, and then I think there's someone else, but I can't remember the other person. But they kind of call it their first official MOXIE meeting. Sothey're all talking about like what are they going to do, like do weknow who moxie is, and trying to like figure things out, and youcan see that quaudy is like visibly kind of uncomfortable by the whole situation andyou don't know why. And later that night we see Vivian making the nextvolume of Moxie and kind of the same process getting the copies going to schoolearly, but she actually runs into seth there and he is now the onlyperson who knows that she's the person who made Moxie and he's like, youknow, like he's great. Ally they love Seth, Seth is the best, but he's like, you don't give me some, I'll put them inthe boy's bathroom. I'm sure, like there are people that hate Mitchell asmuch as all the girls do. They want to help you, so hedoes. And what they're supposed to do this time, like the I guesscall to action or whatever, is that they're all supposed to wear tank topsthe next day to support I don't know what her name is. I nevergot anither names the yeah, the girl who got dress coded is yeah,for the girl who I just couldn'tvent, to a support. Again, wesee Claudia being super hesitant kind of because of that VI and goes thrifting withLucy. They get closer and Claudia kind of sees that she's kind of notlosing her best room, but like she's becoming more yeah, she's getting somepopularity. Yeah, yeah, but she tries to support her by wearing atank top the next day. But her mom basically just yells at her forwearing it and she has to change. Listen, this is a lesson toanyone who is a young woman who may have parents who don't want them todress a certain way. If you want a tip, you just wear youeither packet in your bag and change in the bathroom before school starts, oryou just wear like a sweatshirt or jacket over it and then they'll never know. Yeah, but we see that at all the other girls at school arewearing tank tops and and the boys are wearing them as well, and thisis kind of like their first real fight, I guess, because vibe it's like, like, why wouldn't you wear that, like, why aren't yousupporting Moxie and which she also like finds out that she she didn't catch herup on like what was going on with Seth and how like she really likeshim and everything. And so that same day they're in home room English again, and the teacher, who is he? He's so familiar. He we haveto look this up. Let's see. Let's see, Mr Davies. Hisname is like Baron Holtz. None of these. He was in vampiresuck. No, that's definitely. Oh, he's a neighbors. Oh, hewas a neighbors. Who Do you playing? He was in the legomovie to the disaster artist. Oh he wasn't. Suicide Squad, the angrybirds movie. Cool, yeah, okay. So, yeah, so the Englishteacher looks familiar because he's in a lot of stuff that we've seen,and he is asked to comment on the the shirt situation and he says thathe's staying out of it because it is a women's issue, and he's startingto fumble a bit because then like someone starts recording him and he's just basicallylike saying this blanket diversity statement that all schools, all public schools, probablytrain their teachers to say from and so...

...he's like I gotta go, Igotta go, and just walks out just so unprofessional, like who, whatis he doing in the school? Yeah, so it's now the football game andMitchell like wins a scholarship because he's uncontested. It's basically this scholarship towhatever school you want, and it's it's usually a football player, and soMitchell like want it, but then all the girls are like no, likewe have a nomination and it's Kiara, the captain of the girls soccer team, and so they all the girls stand up there, like I nominate her. I second that. Yeah, so it's it's now Kira Against Mitch andClaudia is sitting there while Vivian like speaks up and it's like I suck inthat. Claudia feels left out and she leaves because she's like jealous and alsosad. Yeah, so after so they fight about like why she won't,I guess, like stand up and like she didn't nominate and nothing really getsresolved at that point. But then step comes up and is like Hey,do you want to go for like a drive with me? And they goto a funeral home and they like pick out coffins and then they lay ina casket and listen to music. Like it's very weird, but like theykind of make a cute I don't know. I don't know how I feel aboutit. I can't say I would be. I could be seduced ina funeral home. I can't say I could be. Yeah, yeah,probably not as they're going home or as he takes her home and he doesn'tkiss her in the car or in the casket. But then he let he'slike, oh my gosh, I just like ruin that and runs out beforehe gets in the door. And then they they kids in cute. Butthen so the next day they're having another Moxie meeting and while this is likein the locker room or something, and Emma Tessa is standing kind of aroundthe corner while this is going on and she is like, Oh no,I'm just like grabbing my uniform, but like she's clearly listening. After thatwe kind of see it's I wrote it as like kind of big feminist momentsfor everyone. We see CJ, who is a trans woman, audition forthe musical when she previously are was I wasn't sure if it was like shejust felt she wouldn't be accepted or they weren't letting her. Yeah, Ithink they weren't letting her and they were also using her dead name. Ah, okay, okay, wow, I didn't that's the only one I wrotedown, but there were other things that happen. Then it kind of allcomes to a climax. So learning of comes with climax when Claudia comes upas kind of as like a waving the white flag, like I like anapology, sort of, I'd say. She says, I've registered Moxie asa club with the school, because you wouldn't be able to do all thethings you're doing, unless you be kicked out, if you weren't registered asa club. And she she joins, basically and tells bibby and that she'snowhere near as outspoken as she is and she she wants to be part ofthis, but in her way and that's going to be a lot more subtle, or so she thinks. Yeah, okay. So next the moxie girlsdecide to have this party and this middle school girl band is performing and they'rehonestly everything that we wish, that we really real wrote. I said thisis exactly what we were trying to be him. We weren't. Those girlsare so talented. And then like we're like in our girl band in highschool, like Yikes, yeah, so you know, they're just killing thegame here and we will never be like them, but that's okay. Sonow at school Mitchell speaks on morning announcements and says that Moxie is targeting him, which is just funny coming from him, because he targets all of the girlsat school. So love that for him and it sucks because Kara didn'tget the opportunity to do the same thing, like she didn't get the opportunity tolike speak during her campaign in front of the whole school like Mitchell did. Next, seth is meeting Vivian's mom. She's being so mean to him,but like in the classic, like stereotypical like mom and movie way.You know. She's like Ah, like, I see, you got me icecream that my daughter bought, obviously, and it's just not very accepting oftheir relationship, but that's what parents do. I feel like she's accepting. She's just like messing with him, to be she's just trying to embarrasshim, humble him, you know. Yeah, she like also says likeOh, weren't you the kid that Pete's pants at the at the museum inFirst Grade? You know, men deserve to be humbled. So yeah,if there's anything that they they don't lack,...

...it's the audacity. So yes,so seth in Viv then go to the football game. They make outin the car first and it's steamy, like literally literally, and then theygo to the football game. Sadly, Kara loss the competition. When shegoes home like she's drunk because she like got really mad about everything that happened. Again, creates a new MOXY Zene and also makes stickers that say yeah, okay, the stickers say you're an Asshole, and she actually gets takingto the principal's office. She's like who, who is this, like do youmay idea? She denies it. She's like I don't know. Butinstead Claudia gets suspended from Moxie because she goes and covers for Vivian and saysthat it was her that started it. So she suspended. She actually sheviving. Finds out from Lucy. Lucy says like Oh, she took onefor the team, isn't it? Gray? And Vivian's just mad because, likeno, like she's my best friend, like I wouldn't want this to happento her. Like she doesn't say, Oh, she's covering for me,but insinuated, I guess. And like getting suspended as a huge dealfor Claudia because her parents will find out. Like will explain it a bit,but her parents are super strict. Yeah, so she does baby andgoes right to Claudia's house. This can worry find out like how how bigof a deal it is for her and why she hasn't been, like wouldn'tstepping up. I guess because her her parents are immigrants and they've worked reallyhard for her to even be able to go to school and go to abe able to apply and go to really good college, and she just can'trisk that and she just doesn't understand, because FIBBIAN is white and because shedoesn't have to worry about, I guess, the racial implications of her actions.She caused her a coward for not stepping up when it was finally timeto like really step up, which is now, and I feel like thatmakes her spiral. HMM. And this is the part of the movie thatI had like a huge problem with. They bring up these instances. We'relike that, like every woman could relate to, with like little to likeno nuance, and I think that the fact that they also like have thismovie through the eyes of assists white woman is like what does that? Whatdoes that do to like further the conversation? That's exactly that's what I wrote atthe end of the movie. Like that was like my big problem,like why does it have to be started by a a white girl? Idon't know. I feel like they're like, Oh, if, if it's aif it's a black girl, then they'll be this angry black woman trope, and I I think a black woman should be the leader of this movement, like Lucy should be the leader. She's she's incredibly strong, like it'slike why does it have to be a blond, blond hair, blue eyedwhite girl, you know. Yeah, and the fact that the only characterthat really develops in this is like think about Claudia, is a static character. She has this one aspect of her personality, that's her whole character.Lucy has this one aspect of her personality, her strength, that is her wholecharacter, and then the only person that grows and changes throughout it isVivian. And so it's like I wish that this movie were through Lucy's perspective, because then it would show her being vulnerable, like it would show that, like, black women don't have to be played this strong character all thetime. And it's just funny to me because she's she plays this really strongcharacter, like a secondary character with with no development, but then you stillhave white Savior Vivian. Yeah, like everything with this movie does, thenit's just like a white savior complex and you're like wow, okay, nevermind. Yeah, like what do you like? What do they think thatthey're doing to like further the conversation here and the fact that this whole conversationwith Claudia is through Vivian's perspective, that's not like helping that much. It'sgreat seeing like what Claudia is going through and how, like her experience canrelate to like so many women in the US with like immigrant parents, butthe fact that we're learning about it through Vivian's perspective is like yeah, andVivian's like, I feel like she's incredibly defensive about it as well. Yeah, instead of her being like I didn't see that before, like I'm sosorry, like she was just she just stormed off and like throw a hissyfit. Yeah, she's like no one's helping me. Like literally, youhave the entire school behind you. Yeah, what are you doing? You're theleader of an anonymous group and and someone else took the fall for you. Oh my gosh, that's and she...

...couldn't even be honest with Claudia.I know what Vivian's the worst. Yeah, I at this point I was justlike, I'm Dad, I've done with you, starting at Vivian hatepage. So once she like really spirals. Everyone's like mad at her, she'smad at the world. No one's talking. She's not talking to say, she's not really talking to Claudia, she's not talking to anyone involved withmoxing. It's kind of come to a plateau that's sort of looking. Butthat's a good word spanning our vocabulary each and every episode. Yeah, butso seth doesn't want to talk to her, so she goes to the bathroom andthere's just miraculously, a note from someone, like I don't know howshe got it, like of course I don't know anyway, but the notesays it's an an honous note from a girl saying that they the previous yearthey were raped and they didn't go to the police because they didn't know orthey or anyone, because they didn't think they would be believed and they didn'tknow how to handle it. This is kind of another radicalization moment. Ithink for her it's kind of like her peak of the most that she willdo. She on the front steps of the school that night. She Paintsso the school's name is rock port and like ninety nine percent sure, butshe puts rape port on the front steps and also makes a new episode,or episode, a new volume, I guess, of Moxie. That sayswe are going to walk out in the middle of whatever class period tomorrow insupport that. That day in English class, the teachers like, if you walkout, you you can be expelled, like this is serious, but heshows on his hands he has the stars and the hearts. You know, we have warding them. We have to we have to stand a kingthat's willing to learn. Yeah, you know, he makes the mistakes inthe past, but he's learning at this walk out pretty much like almost thewhole schools up there, all the girls at least, are. There aresome guys, and Vivian stands up on a ledge and admits that she isthe leader of Moxie and she's the one who started it and that if anyoneshould get expelled, it should be her. And then everyone else pulls a radiorebel and it's like I'm Moxie, I'm Moxy, but instead of sayinglike I'm radio rebel, they just admit what they did to get expelled,which you know, can't say is very a new idea. We can't sayit's a new idea. Debbie Ryan walked so that Vivian could run. Yeah. So then Emma stands up on the Ledge and says that she was theone who wrote the note and tells a story about how she was assaulted andthen got voted the most bangable, which is just so awful. By Mitchell. Yeah, by Mitchell. Sorry, I forgot to mention that. Andwhile all of this is going down, the principle who is not an allyis watching. But then she decides to pull Mitchell out of class and wedon't really know the consequences. Yeah, something tells me there will be none. Yeah, then Claudia comes running into frame says that Vivian's mom drove herthere. Vivian's mom is really proud and everything seems okay. She she madeup with Seth. It ends with a montage of them partying instead of endingit with her finishing her personal essay. Yeah, like why I add that? Like again, like why I add that in and then never do anythingwith it? Yeah, if you're going to make UC Berkeley part of youryour experience in high school, like, why not the just beat. Thatwould make it full circle. I just yeah, but that's it. Andthen then, yes, the party looks really fun, though. Yeah,with the end. Yeah, you know, the party did look fun, exceptwe have to cancel them because we're in a Pandora. But yeah,so, like my thing with the like I really liked it, except thenI was like, well, this is just like a white savior complex movie. I feel like if presented it in a way that was very like likethey only explain situations where it's very clear what to do, like what's rightand what's wrong. They don't really delve deeper. Yeah, it's like it'sa start, but there's still much more they could have done. I feellike this is like a good I think it could be a good introduction tofeminism, like kind of movie it could be. It's like it's like you'restanding on a street corner at a college campus and you're handing out brochures aboutfeminism. Yeah, it's like a start.

It's not doing everything or no,it is like giving me every but it's getting there. Also, it'smaking it's all, putting it into this like really neat present, and it'slike everything has an answer and everything has a solution. Yeah, when thesolution is like very much white perspective, and a lot of the time there'sit's not white perspective and there's a lot more gray area that you have tohmm. Yeah, through, I guess. Yeah. So, in conclusion,stand Lucy. Yes, we love Lucy. I Love Lucy, butI don't know, I feel like this movie is important to talk about thisweek because, of course it's women's history month, but also at the sametime, we just like we've been seeing some devastating things in the news thatit's bringing a lot of issues that are already around to light about how ninetypercent of women in the ninety seven percent of women in the UK are sexuallyharassed and or assaulted, and the hate crime that just happened in Georgia.So, yeah, I don't know, movies like this are, I guess, important, but men are not watching this movie. Yeah, and thismovie is very much like catered to white sis women. I think my finalstatement would be that while this movie brought brought up feminism, I think itdidn't bring up, and I'm it did a little bit, but it didn'tbring up intersecual feminism. In a way that. I think it could have. I think they touched on it with Claudia and a bit with Lucy,but I think they could, they could have done a lot more, andI think that starts with giving Lucy her own movie and giving the whole thingagain from her perspective. I would a hundred percent watch that and even likeCJ, it feels like they were just taking off boxes. Yeah, didn'tgo anyper. Also, I don't even think they maybe they gave her name, but they definitely didn't say it enough. But the one girl in marching bandwho was in a wheelchair, she they would always put her in theback, but that's like kid of all they they did about that. Wesee like. The thing is too, is that we see right through it. Yeah, like anyone watching that see's right through it. Archie sees rightthrough it. Archie says down with the patriarchy. But this has been fun, well, has it been? I think it's been interesting. It's beeninteresting. If you enjoy US, feel free to follow us on social media. Our instagram is how we never podcasts. Right, if you just start howwe never, we will most definitely come up okay by everyone, by.

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