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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 2, Episode 10 · 10 months ago

Normal People : "I Guess We Just Misunderstood Each Other"

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In Season 2 Episode 10, Isabel and Lauren discuss Normal People.

Join us as we discuss how Connell is a consent king, how Niall is the second coolest Niall that we know, and how we're going to rent Marianne's Italian villa this summer.

If you want more from How Have We Never Seen This Before, feel free to subscribe on Apple Podcast and Spotify, and give us a follow on Instagram at @howhaveweneverpodcast!

Also, shout out to Michael Beaumont @monitorcomics for our podcast art!

Thanks for listening!

Hi everun welcome to have we never seenthis before this week we discussed normal people stay tunes to hear US talk about howconall is a consent, King, how Ani is the second coolest Nile that we've everknown and how we're going to go rent Marianne's Italian villa this summer. This is a podcast where two bestfriends talk about movies they've, never seen before. I'm Isabel and I'mLauren, and this is how have we never seen this before before we Ginin theepisode we just wanted to give a quick morning that well be talking aboutmental health issues, and we will mention suicide, so if that issomething that you're not comfortable with it, Magh be best to skip thisepisode, but with that, let's get right into it. Good Morning I had like something to say: Thebeginning is episode, and I don't remember so. I apologize maybe I'll,remember like halfway through or something. Oh. I remember where for three hundredfollowers on Instagram Yeay, I don't know how this happened, but in like thelast week, we've kind of grown a lot right and like we were like. I hope weat two hundred by the end of November by the end of the year, even yeah, and we're over three hundred now yeah.So if you ever want to check us out on instagram it's how we never podcast, Iknow we usually say it at the end of the episode, but I don't know if evermakes it to the end, a Wong and we're working on it but yeah. Thank you. It'scrazy! It's a lot of other podcast, which is really cool yeah. The podcastcommunity is so amazing and so supportive- and I just I love the ballyeah. They are really really nice, but anyway yeah. So normal people this week, the show aslike, really popular this summer or like early early quarantine. So I didn't know anything about it likeI try not to know anything about the shows are watching, but I knew it wasreally popular and a lot of people liked iat time yeah, I feel, like ourtime has come like watching. Love. Island UK has really prepared us forthis moment. You know: We've just been training. It's great. We can understandthe accents they're Irish I in T. I only knew it because I read like theintroduction to the show like I probably could have guessedit, but I also would have been like. Oh ther're, Scottish, never hated me. Soit's yeah. Did you read the book at all no ie I want to, but I do you rememberwhen we watchd love in the time of quarantine or whatever yeah, and hegives her this book yeah. I sounds like I don't want to like read it because Iont want to be hurt. I know I don't want to be basic, but itseems like a good book. Oh I do have a fun fact about the show. So a lot ofthe scenes look like really weird towards like the middle of end of theshow- and it looks like conall and Marian aren't really in the same roomor like it was just kind of weird. That's because some of the scenes wereaffected by the pandemic. Oh wecause, they had to the were filmingthis then well, they filmed until late February. So things were kicking off in the UK.Then right yeah, we didn't like to II to wash yeah because, actually I won't say it, IAS GOING TA get political for a secondtin. You know too much politics in this podcast yeah. This is an entertainment, we're entertaining...

...yeah, okay. So basically, if youhaven't heard about this show at all, it follows like six years ish of thelives of two people, Marian and Conell. They both went to the same school inhigh school and we see them as they go through high school and they're inrelationships and their relationships with friends and int, then into collegeand how they handle that and basically how their wives are kind ofalways intertwined, which I think is a good o Putti yeah and there kind of areonly too many characters like there's a lot of side characters and I'm notgoing to say you're, not important, because you are important: Oh, Oh God, Matt the Actica Place Matscambit. I would like to Hoogize for Lawrence O bea last week. She said theydidn't matter, and then he commented on our post and you do matter and you'reimportant and we love you. I'm just so sorry to anyone that I have senti by saying that I don't care about sidecharacters like they're, very important to the plot, and it's just wer. We makeour podcast too long anyway, and we just want to be mindful of everyone's time, so wehave to cut down on some things and that's Soh or the characterdescriptions and probably should sow the episodes, but we're going to try and be shorttoday because there's twelve episodes so our main characters. Would you liketo explain? Oh sure? Okay, so first off we have the lovely Maryanne. I wish Icould say her name a little bit better because, like more Irish, it sounds somuch prettier when with when someone says with the Irishaccent, but it's okay, I'm not going to embarrass myself in that way. So Maryann is really smart, exceptshe's, like kind of the more like in your face. Smarty pans, like she'll,always make her opinion known, which is like good for her, and she was Bulaed alot in high school and kind of like a social outcast, but she finds herselfin college. Her family is loaded, but she has a very broken family and theyall kind of hate each other yeah. So she doesn't have any friendsin high school but Blosson' in College, and then you have conall he's more oflike a silent, smarty pants. His family is poor and it's just himand his mom, but they're very close and they love each other a lot and it'sreally cute. I love her and he threughout the show suffers with somemental health stuff and they kind of know each other, because his mom worksas she cleans colnels mom cleans Marianne's house, so they interact after school and stuff too nat.They don't just just see each other in school, yeah yeah, I should have said,but that's kind of important now as okay connects them with the in so episode. One didn't realize itstarted in high school. I thought the whole thing was like an adult show likeas them as adults, and then they were like supposed to be children but anyway.So I kind of thought of Marianne she's very snacky and she's constantly likesent his attention sine to the principal's office. So in the firstscene she talks back to the teacher and she ges told Googoe principales office,but she goes home instead and later after school. CONALL comes to her houseand we see that his mom is her cleaning lady and it's really clear from thebeginning that Konall does like Marianne, like I think it was alwaysobvious. He just never really wanted to admit it and his mom like tells him that he shouldbe nicer for her, because she's always having this hard time like she alwayssits alone and her mom's never around really and when she is she's, not verynice, and neither is her brother and...

...conalds like hangs out with a popularcrowd. He plays soccer basically, the next day at school. Her Brother has todrive her and he just dropped her off on the side of the road, while it'splaying because his friend calls in Uston to pick him up. So, there's thisvery like strange power dynamic between thebrother and Mary, her brother's name is Allan Yeah. Okay, her bother name isAllan and with her and her mom and him like kind of being this, not father figure but like he tries tobe in control of everything and it's really kind of scary, because you havea feeling, you know where it will go. If he's like that power hungry, I guessand it basically, she is the class super late she's covered in water sheshe got stuck into rain and Hase to go to attention because shewas late. The teachers on very nice about it kind of like kind of flirtswit, the teacher afterclass and you're, like that's weird, and I was like, isit him or is it like her, like the teacher theand, while she's waiting fordetention, kind of like comes up to her he's, likealways like coming up to her when other people aren't around and she's likeMarianseems, very femnist, O she's, like I'm, not taking like this from youat first that's kind of what it seems like and basically she says like. Iknow you probably Han me but the own you're, the only person who ever talksto me- and I, like you like she just says- that's straight out of him, whichis like interesting but bold, yeah, real, bold and she also watches like afteretension.She goes and watches his rugbe game, so they're always kind of like taking a Peik at each other, they're,always just like thinking about each other. This is what I realized. It wasn'truntly, but anyway, so this apparently this match was likea Wafe aoway match and conall said to Marietne on the bust right back andit's kind of cue and it's kind of harded how? When timelines are because it's like Konnolslike picking up his mom at her house, sometimes- and I don't know if it wasafter this runby game or like one. This was it's like all kinds of jumps forward, but you never know howmuch time you're jumping forward until hey go to college, but so, while he' tere spick of his mom, hestarts like looking at books in her house and she's, like oh you're, likedifferent from Oliyour friends like they're. Not Interested in like deep things and like I was kind of likeOh, is she going to be like? Oh I'm Qroky and I like to read and I'mdifferent pick me: Girls Yeah. It's like that's kind of what it felt likefrom that moment. Sheas like I'm different. I hate that sometimes, but but anyway, he actually likes to readand he's smart and he brings up what she's said earlier about her liking himand she's. Like I o. She doesn't say this, but she says yeah. I like like you. I wrotethat Tooa because conalls basically like so, do you like me or do you like,like me, y check, yes or no isoiwas so funny and he', just amissehat he's a little confused about how he feels and she's, like you know, wecould like do stuff and noand have to know W E, keep it a secret and never do that St From and they like kiss once and then it'slike super awkward but they're, both blushing and then he leaves and like. We seelike this contrast between him and her a lot so after he leaves. He goes tolike a house party at this girl, Rachel's house and he's like hangingout with all these friends while she's just lying up the home alone in bed.She's like she seems to be this woner...

...mile he's like always like with peopleand having a great time, but the next Weink at school, like theyre, Mariannand cone, are around each other a lot, but they just ignore each other whenthey walk by in school, because I don't really know how to interact with eachother in te normal capacity. But he keeps looking over her during class andshe like and after school. She goes home and then conof like goes and stopsat her house, and then they start making out again or theymake up for the first time they make it a lot and like for as soon as he kisss hershe's like can we take our clothes off and I'm just like, like okay, like the last week, was the first time you'veever been kissed and now you're like. Let's take your clothes off, it justfelt like a lot to me and then he's like you can come over onSaturday. He's like no not right now, but you can come over to my house onSaturday, because no one will be home and it just feel like a lot. EAHNI have some advice to anyone whowould who would be willing to hear it if anyone ever says like Oh, this couldbe like a secret like no one has to find out to like save themselves fromdrama. That's not going to work out, everyone will know, and someone willcatch feeling to be Hart Broken Yeah we've all! Well, I don't know if Everonhas experienced this first hand, but I definitely have it's not fun. So SaveYourself. The heart break, don't be in secret relationships withpeople yeah it'sust. No, don't do it, but yeah, okay, so episode too. It's now the weekend and Mariannas atconnall's house, because they're gonna do the Nesty, but I'm not ready for a later episode.Let's get it to it. How many like EUPHEMISMS for sex? Am I going to usewe'll find out we'll keep counter? Okay so before they get it on they're kind of having a deep chatabout life and kind of what makes them different and then they they have sexand it's awkward and Cringy, but in a cute way. I, like the one thing I didn't knowabout the shows that people like appreciateit how normal yeah these scenes were like. I guess Idon't know, there's Reay a lot of them and I was kind of like annoyed by theend yeah because, like most of Thiss, just them like breathing deeply yeah,like that's the whole sex scene, just like the the close capturing just says gasp, and so I was like okay, let's, let'ssee something my friend was sitting next to Mo wh. Iwas watching this and every time she lookes over they'd be in the middle ofone. If these sea, it's just like what are you watching? I'm like just like? Don't look yeah, I watch this show with myheadphones on it's easier than explaining it. Oh Yeah, my heaboths areon Ho yeah okay, so that happened now we're backat school. They keep making awkward eye contact that aren't really interactingand then one day they go to Marianne's house and Hook up after school, and Ithought it was really cute because she calls him beautiful, but then the moment is kind of ruinedwhen she creepuly says that she's always wanted to watch him have sex.That was so weird Howi. An take him she's like not evenlike Ike, I don't want Yo like Mi en have oming, but, like I just like wantto watch you like, which I guess is like a thing butfel like seventeen yeah, like I mean...

...good for you for being like sexuallyawakened, something it was just strange to hear. Then weget a montage. We love a good bontage. They I love, they have tave several inthes show, and I appreciate it. Yeah we had a montage of them, hooking up andthen avoiding each other at school, but it's more than that. They actually hangout together at the beach and they share intimate moments outside of sexand Maryann and conall talk about what they want to do in the future, and Marian convinces him to studyEnglish at Trinity College with her not like, because she's going to be there,but because that would be good for him yeah and he actually ends up doing that. But we don't find out until later and then CONALL's friends are trying tofigure out who they're going to take to the debs, which is 't, Lik, WTON,Balllik sort of. I think it's like a similar idea. It's like their prom, andso his friend see Mariann and joke about taking her and she says, like. I wouldn't want togo with you anyway, and then they make fun of her appearance and Conalldoesn't defend her, but he then goes and checks in on herafter school, and he takes her to a place called the ghost house, which iswhere all the popular kids go, and it's really pretty. But then Marianne can'tstop talking about sex and then they fight, then they kiss and they make up yeah. One that I really like about theshow is how CONALL is a consent? King? Yes, yes, I was going to say that, likein the first sexseen he's like or before it happens,she asked he as Aconum he's like yeah. Is that what you want- and he like like? Does it no problem? He like asksher like, if it's your first time and he's just like you're scared or, ifanything like, if you want to stop we'll just stop, which is really nice.That's the example that you wantd to set yeah. Oh also. What thing I wantedto mention was like when they're at this goes house ghost house. Mariannelike says that she would like why down on the groundthere, and he coald do anything to her and that, like kind of like, should doanything to make him happy in that. Like translates over her entire life yeah,it kind of all of Marianns issues, kind of stem back from like her dad abandoningher well, he died. That's not what I meantsory I just feel like did like Iget where you're going yeah her dad. We find this out later, but her dad wasabusive and abandoned their family, which is why Allen acks the way that hedoes it's, why the mom is she's, just removed yeah, and that's why Marianne has like. I don'tknow how to put this in words. Well, just say daddy issues yeah I do have. I also have a fun fact aboutthis, like the sex scenes. Okay, it's funny so apparently when they werefilming the first sex scene, they like have to wear fake weat. Idon't know like yeah, so they have to look sweaty until someone sprays inwith e fake wheat, but when they a water, it's a mixture of something maybe likeoil and water, but during the first one, when they rubbedtogether and made this really loud, farting noise and ever was laughing, and it was great,that's so funny. Okay, so Iwas in threes, a fundraiserfor the DEBS and when she get it's like at a club which is like weird to think,but like I'm suit's, totally normal for them because, like you can drink ateighteen, but anyway they have this onraser at a club, and the girls are like why youlook really nice, like the girls who know the mean to her...

...and the boys show up and like everyones,just like complimenting her sort of n so for Ponel. He just kind of nods,because he's like this is secret. I was GOINGTO, not you and at one pointMarian goes to dance with this girl Karen and the whole time. They'redancing together. Connall just keeps watching her and after they'e donedancing theye like standing next to each other and conall like almost grabsher hands. But then Rachel, I think like is like Maryan. MyEgo sell more tickets. Rachel was the girl. I talked about a little bitearlier, but she's a popular girl and she kind of has a thing for conallalways has and doesn't want anywone else to have athing for him yeah. But when she tellus Maryan to go somewhere tickets, thisguy comes up and he's like he'll buy ten tickets. If she would dance withhim she's like I don't want to dance with you and then he like goes andgrabs her chest and just like mluster and like she runsout crying as anyone would and Rachel's like. Oh come on, it was ajoke. It was funny we were all laughing and Karren's like what is wrong withyou and Konns like you're like awful like. Why would you say that? And he drives her home. One thing that Marian does is she doesn't like notthat she's not a lot of confidence in herself. She like is constantly worried about how connell interact with other girls likein high school she's, always asking about Rachel and later on he's alwaysasking about other girls as well. She yeah she's very insecure yeah, buthe says he would never hurt like, so they actually go to his house and likethey're, just like cubbling an whatever, and he says he would never hurt her,but I was like he's, definitely going to break her hard and when she leaves the next morning hismom walks in and like she's like. Oh, you think I didn'tknow about this B he's like I don't eat. I don't want to you tell anyone like itwould just be like weird and she's. Like me, MOM's, like I won't sayanything but like I don't. I don't really like where this is going so yeah and like all of his friends, are likemaking fun of him for, like the him, take care of her that last night andthey make fun of Marian's appearance again and Comn, like has a panic attacksort of AF. At this point, this kind of the start of his like mental healthjourney. I guess like understanding like what he's feeling and he actuallyapologizes to Rachel later on for like what he said, the other night which,like he shouldn't he definitely should have said that and then like Askd, her to the dance, and he later that day he tells MaryaHat. He aske her and she's very upset because, like she is feeling for him.Obviously she said that, like she's clearly said that and his mom, when hetells his mom about asking Machel she's furious she's like like. Why would youdo that to her like? Clearly she likes you like? Do you even treat her nicelyin public like how are like? How do you like? How are you like this basicallyand after this, like Marian, doesn't go to school at all? She never returns like she keeps conml Trins to text her and like seehow she is, but she never responds to him and shes just been away from schoolfor a long time, because she doesn't really need to be there. I guessbecause it's exam time and they just study for them anyway. I don't really know how those kind ofthings work, but I guess that's it and then it's a night of the DEBS andcommodoesn' want to go. He takes Rachel and basically it's just kind of like amess, he's not having a good time, ith the dance and he leaves- and he startscrying and like tries to call Marianne, but he just leaves her voice mail andhe says he misses her and that he loves her and he sorry did that voice. Mellremind you of the vine. That's like I love you and I miss you, and...

I know that one, but I didn't eventhink about that. Tho sounded exactly like it. Oh I do have one comment me yeah. So one of CONALL's friends tells him like asksabout Mariann he's like how do you know that we like have a thing and he waslike. We knew this whole time like it was so dumb for them to keep it asecret because ever knew anyway, like in high school you're. So obsessed withthe idea that everyone cares and then like Youve, realized that it doesn't matter like they didn't care they onlylike pretended to care to like be in the middle of things like none of it was ever important.Yeah like they knew the whole time and didn't bother him and didn't care solike yeah, it was pointless episode for our lovely children are in college.They grow up so fast, yeahnow, yeah aver, an sink conell is now meeting his First CollegeRoommate Nile, I love Nile, he's he's really smart. He's kind of a slob. Tellme why I was like really hoping it would be: IE R Nile hore. I was like Oh my God, and then it wasn't. That would bebeautiful, but yeah Owl's great he's freespirited.He kind of brings conll out of ishell A bit. I love them and now it's our voice first day. Oh,he like he's so relatable, sometimes like he's in a recitation for one ofhis classes, and his teacher like calls on him and like everone, has alreadyset their point, and so like he's just like yeah, I agree with everyone yeah.I don't have anything else to add because, like especially when we wereat Uq, I would just like sit and recitations aside from like the onethat we had together and I wal just sit there. As everyone else talked and likesaid these amazing points, and then someone would call on me I'd be, like everyone has already said their pointlike what am I supposed to add like please, I feel so awkward, don't callon me. So then he goes home on his firstweekend because he's feeling some sort of impostor syndrome and he feels likehe doesn't fit in because all the kids at trinity are so pretentious and soannoying. So then he meets up with his friend from high school and says hedoesn't fit in at school, but he doesn't fit in at home. So he's kind of he doesn't know what to do, but then hecomes back from his trip home and his roommate invites him to drink with thefriends that he has over and they all kind of Bibe and then the next dayduring class. He says something kind of remarkable, and this pretentious guynamed Garrett invites him to hang and I hate Garreth gars sucks Gareth. Youknow he defends a Holocaust Enir, so we have no choice but to understand him.But garrith invites him to come to a party at his house because he wantsthem to join this debate. Society and, of course, who is he dating? Oh, it'sour girl, Marianne conall and Mariann kind of reconnected. The party she hashad a major glow up and seems to have found her sense of style and is nowconfident and has a lot of friends and they catch up. But Marian starts toquestion her relationship with Garreth, because she knows that he's a jerk and and also like one of Marian's friends,wants to set her up with CONALL, because no one knows that they used tohave a relationship except this one girl Joanna, that's probably Mariann'slike best girlfriend throughout the...

...whole, show yeah and then she, the episode, ends with her likerandomly calling conall at midnight one night yeah. The other thing I didn't get ishow it's like only week to a freshman year and Mariann has a boyfriendalready. I feel, like she's, probably been there for a long time. I probablydid like a precollege yeah thing yeah. I think that's something she would doyeah and maybe it's like farther in and we just don't know like. Maybe it's like October orsomething yeah I nohember and they've been there for a while. That could be I.The last thing I have to say is that Marian has an android and I reallybothers me. I feel, like other places, don't liyuse ifland as much as we do so all right episode, five, so basically they're really awward realyonflon each other because they haven't interacted in so long and they're goingto try and be friends. So basically they start to hang out and they're kindof like hang out with each other's friends, and we see kind of the I don't know have I this ware kit cometo mind but like the degradation of Marian's relationship with Garrett, she's, just really not happy and Conall, like kind of starts to hit itoff with this friend of Marians, but it makes Mary and upset because she stillblakes him. Obviously, and one of Marian's friends Jamie clearly likesher. So there's tjus like weird like not like, I guess, kind of love,trangle, that's kind of going on at the same time. Well, there's like all thesepeople involved, so it's like a square or like a Pentagon or I don't know so. Basically, colummarian hang out nowa lot on their own as well like just together on their own, not just withfriends and he's kind of like he doesn't know who he is and what hewants and they kand of talk about the past andlike how that's affected them and Marian like asked him if he wouldhave asked her to the debs, an hi said he didn't think about at thetime, but he really wished he had and he feels really guilty abouteverything he did, and he like tells her. That he's really sorry foreverything and the next morning. She tells Garre that this is at working inthe Brigam got fine, so basically they're at thisparty and she gets Super Super Drunk Maryanne. Does she like tries to kisshim and she's like I want to like be with you like? Let's go upstairs and elike we're already upstairs she's so drunk and he's like. I won'tsleep with you right now, because you're absolutely wasted, but I'll seeyou in the morning. I can etent king right and he like waits outside theParty for her the next morning, because she just like slept there and basically he's like it, takes het homeand they're like it would be difficult forus to say friends. If we keep turing tosleep with each other she's like yeah,you're, right and Eshus, like I'm just going to take a shower, you can makecoffee or do whatever and then she comes down in a robe and then he undoesa robe and then they ex, but like also afterwards, like theending shot, is a like show everything. Oh Yeah. We saw literally everything hesaw all of codle which, like what like that's not it's a BBC, show solike. I guess it makes sense, but like that, would never fly on Amario TelvinAmerican television could ever yeah. I mean that's kind of it for that episodeis kind of like they finally realized everything that they felt for eachother. I guess M okay, so episode six we're getting into it. We Open withMariann crying six weeks into the...

...future. We don't know why, but then we're backto where we left off Marian and CONALL. Just just hooked up and conall tellsMarianne that she's his best friend, which is cute, and then I hook up againand then they hook up again and again and again for months, but discreetlythey're, not a boyfriend and girlfriend. I was kind of like confused at thetimeline in this episode, but I think I have it right. I Yeah I figured out bythe end yeah, so it's not like they were making it somebig secret. They just didn't like tell anyone, but they didn't lie to people who askthem what they were doing so one day they are sitting down having a good oldchat with this girl, Peggy who's, one of Marianne's friends, the actor who plays conall and theactress who plays Peggy our roommates in real life, oh really cool. So the three of them are talking andthings get awkward because they start mentioning three sums and Peggy leavesbecause things got really awkward and then Mariann is going away with herfamily, overbreak and conall wants her to Sunday, nude photo and they'redebating on him deleting it like. Do They not have snap chut? Iwould love to know I like during like right now: Yeah, okay, but then conall gets laid off atthe restaurant during exams, so he doesn't really have a place tolive, and then Marianne goes home to visit her family for the weekend, andthings are weird. Her brother is really man to herbecause he's jealous of her intelligence and he ends up squeezing asponge over her head thought was kind of funny. I know it'snot like good to joke about that, but it was if it had been like in a playfullike. If you have been anyone else, it would have been funny yeah I woas feenlike and like cause. She would av splash like waterback, but like herbrother's, like no yeah, so now she's sending a Nede photo ofher crying. That was unique, a yeah and then conall's roommate diales like.Why? Don't you just ask Marianne if you can live with her since you stay at herplace, most nights of the week anyway, and just do it until you find a job? Andthen you can live here again because Ho can't pay rent and he won't do it because he's too nervousto ask her. So he has to move back to Sligo, which is third town. Their smalltown and theyr fling ends because he's goingback home and it was kind of like a week like it.We don't know how why their fling ended. We find outlater, but yeah we' E, we're not supposed to like really know yeah. Onething I like thought was important was how she like her interaction with Jamie, like connalgits jealous whenever she's with Jamie, because Jamie's very touchy. He likeputs his arm or his hand on her leg and, like es always around her, because hedoes like her, and she like says him that, like the one thing like that,like has been bothering her about their relationship, is that conall won't?Like touch her in public or like show Nthe affection towards her, so likethey're at this party right before, like we see right before, like she'scrying and like everything falls apart, and he like looks over at her and helike, comes and puts his arm around her and like gently kisses. Her shoulder...

...like he's trying to like do that forher, which is really nice, ut, yeah okah, so episode, seven like jumpsaround a lot in the Timeon, at least we start out in July, and we see ColinOrcon, O Tha. We see conell lying on the floor of his room at home and, likehe's just like waking up with a headache, but then we immediatelyjumped to six weeks earlier and he tells he's telling Marian why he can'tlike why, like this is what happens? He basically tells Mary and then hewill be there for the summer because he can't pay rent and is going back tosligo and he's like. Oh so I guess you're going to want to see other people and that's like kind of why they broke up and everything Ele, O yeah, sostupid, and then it flashes to him at a club athome and he, Oh, my God. He runs into the teacher from school that he waslike flirting or like she was foring, and then they start to make out, whichis disgusting to SCO. Dro In disgusting he's probably like forty or somethingand like she was, is teacher and like clearly. She felt this way then she's,like Oh i'V, missed you, like I'm seen me since school yeah, basically and he's like I'm going to besick and the l after she's like let's go back to like my place and at thesame time Mariann actually goes home for a weekend and she runs Cono at like the grocerystore because he's working there and she's just backe for the weekend,because it's her father's, the Annimersi er father's death. I don'tknow like of how long the clearly sint t diedbefore we started seeing their story, but shetells him not to come. He does ask, though, and she's also with Jamie rightnow and basically connal goes to the massanyway, and it's kind of like a moment of solidarity between them kind of it'sjust like like thank you for coming in, like Toa Jonty and then now we're backin school, it's September and they're, trying to be friends, apparentlyJamie's, very intimidated by conall and James, also very into infliting painduring sex connels like like what like what like.Why like? Do you like that? And it's veryweird all they're talkng about this and she does bring up like she didn't, haveto pretend to be anything or like anything when she was with Conall, andshe would have done anything to make him happy, as she said, sevle ton before and now it's April, and we find out thatKON is an English scholar and Marian gets to be a historian. Scholar meansthey get five year, free tuition and housing, and so like she', going out todinner with her friends or toasting her. I success and CONALL calls Maryanne andhe's outside covered in blood because he got mugged for his wallet. Hernumber is the only one he could remember from heart from my hard by heart. Thank you and like he holds her hand when he seesher and she's like Jamie selsers and then Jamie's very passive, aggressivetours connell and basically everyone leaves even Jamie and converstates ofMaryan to clean him up and connel says that he's been seeingsomeone but he's like kind of been trying to get her a break up with Jamie.And it's just like this weird thing going on and she's like. I need you toleave like. I don't want to be around right now and he's like. I can'tbelieve I don't have any money, so she gives hem money and then he wavs andwell before heleaves. She says that she thought that he had wanted to break upwhen he left school the previous summer and that ifshe had known he had wanted to stay, she would have figured out a way. Butshe had no idea because he was just like I gotto go. He never asked ut.Basically, conell has a new girlfriend helen who takes care of him when hegets back.

Yeah is why communicating with your partneris so important. It's just like all of this could have been avoided. That'slike kind of like I get it, because it's trying to be normal. This istrying to not like be like a show. It's like this is. Whatreally happens? It's just like. Why don't like? Why can't you show thatpeople can communicate like really? We wouldn't have needed any of theepisodes like after, like six Arand talk to eachother yeah. Also, you kind of see that Maryannkeeps going from boy to boy because, like she can't really be alone, and Ithink that also like stems from her issues with like her family yeah, definitely yeah. I just thought I'd putthat out there, okay, so I'm moving on to episode. Eight, so conall is going backpacking withNile through Europe and they end up staying at Marianne's familys summerhome in Italy, with the rest of their squad. Did you know that we couldactually rent Marianne summerhome in Italy on AIRPMB? I didn't know that,but that's really cool yeah. It was a beautiful house yeah. It's like, I think, like less than an hour awayfrom Rome. So when ROM is over, I tii know wherewe're going this summer, the worlds on over Yep again. So during this time it's kind oftrouble and paradise well. was there ever really a paradise for Marian andJamie whorthey're, still together, yeah, soour Helen and codall and Jamies is being you know his usualawful self and CONALL and Mariann end up going to getgroceries in town and they end up biking through the Italian countryside,just like Eleo and Oliver from Callmeg by your name. I haven't seen that yet.Oh my God, I just want that. I just want to bebiking through the Italian countryside. Sorry it just gets my hart going, but then they come back and Jamie is being so awful. I think I saidthat before he's being pretentious and sobby aboutpeople who go backpacking and he's also like freaking out about champagne,flutes he's also hammered to, and I don't know why Marianne would even wantto be with him to begin with. I don't get it yeah. She could do so muchbetter, but I think that stems from like her her issues with herself and noone really stands up for conall and then Jamie says something racist. Just he's awful and Jamie and Mariannend up going inside and start screaming at each other and conall runs in and breaks up the fight,that's breaking out between them and he comforts Maryanne a she asked him. Ifshe can sleep in his bed or in his room and he's like. Oh, I could do you wantbetter, you could sleep it. My bed with me take engough for two and then codnlland Marian end up sleeping in the same bed. Together, it's supposed to be as just friends,but then they cuddle because Mariann is in her feelings and then thinks escally of course, but theydon't. Actually they don't do anything they make out. I would consider wellyeah they do that, but like in this show, that's like nothing yeah, but I it's wrong because they're cheating honthere, no, I know I know iyeah.

So that happens. That's the end of the episode really yeah. I feel like this jump in time isvery weird. I feel like we're missing something because, like there was anend of them, going on a train somewhere and they're looking at art athat's it,but then they like, I feel like there's something that the show could have put in,because so the start of episode, nine, it's like it's the winter now and she's in Sweden,mand like everything's, fine sort of like Marian and connlege like writingback and forth to each other. There's no more like, like all of a suddeneverything's fine, which I don't get. I feetht they miss like some reconciliation between the two ofthem yeah and I also had to write down like I had to look up on the Internet.The plots for the episodes, because I wouldn't have known that she wasstudying and Sweden for a whole year as like a semester exchange. I know conallsays like the specific program in a later episode, but in this episode Ididn't get it yeah. I dint know why she was there. It just felt very strange, so basically she's been like now tshe's, so were in Etsid. I now but like she's, been seeing this Guy Lucas Wolshe's in Sweden and but basically she's like breakingup with him kind of and she's like. I don't want a relationship shoe. Shesays. I don't want you to say that you reallylike me. I want you the opposite of that which is just like she. Shouldt have said that yeah. Thatwas Li. It's like very downhill after this very unhealthy.So we see like CONALL's relationship with Helen his girlfriend and like how it's kind of going okay and then welike see them sleping together and then we see Maryanna Loiki slipping together,but her rists are tied together and they're, like in the middle of a photostudio. Doing this which Lik look as is a photographer. So it's not that weird,but then, when it seems like they're finished, Lucasis like no we're not done, even though you want to have a shower and then hetells her she's worthless yeah. So she find of UST feels numb to everythingand it's concerning and now we're at a CHRISMAS party call orconnall as out of Christmas party with his friends or Nial Helen andthere's someone else there, but I don't know who that is and Peggy like is there as well, andshe like brings up the sexual things that Marian is into and it's just like,he gets really bothered by it and Helen is like. Why are you sobothered by what everyone says about Maryanne like she invites people totalk about her which is like? Why did you say that,like that's like man, but basically that it doesn't amount anything at thetime, Tano Marian I like emailing back and fourth all the time and she's likeI'm not coming home for Christmas, like I'll, be saying in Sweden and basicallylike it's just like not going Welfor, he like it's kind of what, like I feellike. I could say about that she's, just not feeling she's not like engaged inanything she's depressed, yeah, she's sepressed. I don't realy just say thatthough, but yeah, and we just see her like trying to feel something with like. Iguess I kind of would like shes, trying to feel something like with like painful sex or, like...

I guess and like she says, bruises on her arms and like Lucas, is like taking pictures of her and like forcingher to do things even when she doesn't want to and is basically trying to force her intohaving sex with him and like tying up her hands and she's like. I don't wantto do this, but then he just keeps going and then he tries to tie I maybe a per ankles orsomething she's like no, and then he kicks her out and she's,just like walking through cold walking through a field in the freezingcold, and that's an on the episode. Yeah yeah t a wholesome episode yeah. Iwas like quite a lot yeah. This episode is just a lessonthat you should never trust a man who doesn't have a bedframe or a box spring. Never if you, if you walk into his roomand you see that it's just a mattress on the floor, immediately yeah, it's just like it's just likethis like open. Now, it's not even a baceress. It'sjust like this, like squishy large pillow on the ground, yeah, very weird,okay episode, Ten, so on New Year's Eve, conall and Helenare having a grand old time, but then that's interrupted by CONALL. Getting ataxed in his high school group chat asking if anyone has seen one of hisfriends for ABB and the next day Loraine his mom calls and says that he,his body was actually found in a lake and he committed suicide and he goes tothe funeral and connects with Maryann there, and he also goes to the funeralwith Helen and Conall, as you could like obviously isstruggling with with processing this, because he kind of blames himself for not like responding to robs textand stuff like that and Helen is being so moody after the funeral. I cannotbelieve it like. She makes a whole this whole thing about herself and i's likehis friend just committed toicide and you're like worried about him, seeing a lifelongfriend and like hugging, her yeah rdiculous, like I, was all for hisrelationship with Helen until this moment, because she's like Oh, like I saw how touch youwere with Mariann, like you weren't touchy with me at the funeral like Wat,like it's a funeral, she also says he looks handsome before going to thefuneral, I'm like why Dodn't you say that, like he's clearly grieving yeah t,you know just like. Oh you look so handsome yeah, it's just t the sane itchief and then conall is he's really going through it really struggling withhis mental health, like his anxiety, is really bad his depression. Well, wedon't really know if he has suppression, but I think we can tell and he's justnot the same person that he was before and Helen ends up breaking up with him,because things aren't working between them. She's like I, I like I'm tryingto help peole you won't. Let me help you, which is like I guessunderstandable. In a sense, but also at the same time, it's enough to like puthim completely over the edge. I feel like it's hard like. We don't seeeverything, but I feel like at least like from the way she acted before,like she's, really not doing anything yeah. That could be it too in reality,like things just SARET working between them and they haven't for a while, andthe fact that...

...connall is really going through rightnow highlights those issues that were already there before and Helen Breaks.That up so I mean, like I, don't know it's kind of a moraldilemma here. I don't think there's any right answer. You know yeah, but itcompletely destroys conall, but at least he gets help and sees apsychiatrist a few months after, and so I love to see that because I feel like in a lot of other, showsthat we watched like or like even movies the characters kind of spiralout of control due to their mental health problems like a lot of theirproblems, could be solved with them getting help and the show actuallyshows connal getting help, and we see him at a very vulnerable point and itit's kind of highlighting the importance for men to feel comfortablewith getting help if they're struggling with mental health, because I know thatthe stigma surrounding it for men is a lot different and so yeah. I reallyenjoyed that and then the episode kind of ends with him and Maryann start likebonding via scype or zoom. Whatever theyre preferred video Chan yeah, I really liked how Nia was the one whosiggested he go. Yeah. It's like a free psychiatrist, maybethe Community Program. But I think it's really great that he's the one who referrd him to that yeah. Like my mainthing was just I was so frustrated with hell and just like making this wholething about like. Why do you introduce me to your friends at this funeral likewhat is wrong with you, God Yo like clearly you struggling somuch and that's all she can make out of it like Helen is trash yeah like I thought she was like niceand I thought things were kind of working, but apparently not at all anyway Movi on to episode eleven, so it's clear like conall like not that he's doing a lot better, buthe's really like trying to to get better. He starts like takingmedication to help with his depression, an anxietyhe gets a job at the library and his like writing again. He like sendsarticles off to magazines and Marian Marianne is at home for the summer aswell, and her brother is incredibly mean to her. While she tell him andsince they're both kind of home for the summer they've been hanging out a lot,they went to the beach together and just done a lot of things. But thenthey go out to a club together and they're dancing and also ife we'regoing to get together. But something happens, and he leaves so there's justlike this, like strange interaction wherethey're al they're talking about like things that have gone wrong and likehow they're still feeling- and they both say that theyh'd wantedto kiss each other that night at the club. But he was really worried because, likethings haven't worked out for them in the past and he doesn't want to loseher again. If things go wrong and then it doesn't matter because then theyjust sleep with each other again, but basically like she's, like it's not like this withanyone else, because I guess to like real emotions and whatever, but then inthe middle of it. She like asks him if he'll hit her, which, like I get, is athing but like he's like he like Amea Shas, like nolike. I don't want to do that, like I, don't feel comfortable with that andthen she's like. Oh, so you think I'm weird he's like no. No, I just like don'twant to do that to you like he knows about her abusive fother past. He justdoesn't feel comfortable with that, and then she like rushes, to get dress andruns away like ruts home, and it's just like not a great situation, but then so assoon a she gets back home her brother, her brother is like I don't. You can'tsee him anymore, like don't like...

...she's, very controlling. He tries tocontrol everything. She does even though she's a fuller, UN adult andhe's her brother. Basically like, then he slams a like a beer bottle on theground like right next to her glass shattering everywhere and he chasesafter her hand. She's. Like no says no, like you can't control me like this,and then he slams, like he slams to the door and opens it and breaks her nose,which is just awful immediately. She Calls Conall and she tells him that shetripped, I an hurt herself and she just didn't know who ealte to call, but he knows he comes like to the houseright away and as soon as he gets so he like askd her she's like was it him andshe just like nods and then like walks out of the house, he stays inside and like pushes hisbrother, her brother up against the wall, and it's like, if you ever touchher again like I will kill you like. Don't don't even try, yeah and then CONA goes out to the carand like says I love you and Iwill, never len. Anything like that happen toyou again and they're just driving away Zoomo. This is a terrible way to likeend this port of the episode like this episode within the show not likeOurbson, but I was like do they not have deer in Ireland yeah like they're,speeding down this road and I'm like I've Bee tofunny, I hitit Yor. I amdriving at night because of that very reason. Yeah me too, we're also fromPennsylvania, where the the animal of Pennsylvania is the whitetall dear yeah lol, that for us oh another thing isthat whale all of this was happening. The MOM Mariann's mom was home and shecould hear everything that was going on and she just chose to ignore it yeah she just does not even try to pushback in her son or even support her daughter in any way. Okay, so last made it last episode, I feellike I'm, never the one that ends them like and there's he first time foreverytime. Okay, so starts off or back in Dublin, and it'sMarianne's birthday she's celebrating with the real homies Nile and hisfriends and Joanna, I think, is there and she and conall are now livingtogether and she doesn't really talk to her family anymore and Mariann is happyfor the first time like ever and one day during the semester, connor gets. Isaid, Connor Two, Oh wait! No, you said Ciis a Colin Connor Onday. He gets an email and it's an offer toget his masters fin ar in creative writing at a school. In New York M-assuming it's Ny, you are like one of them, probably yeah. I think it wouldbe Nyu and he doesn't want to go because ofhis anxiety, but Marian thinks he should and Conell is also the editor ofa literary magazine at school, and so they celebrate his achievements inpushing out a magazine, and he also invites Marian to Christmas since herfamily didn't ask her and they have just a grand old timechilling with Lorain love it, except one day they run into Marianne'smom in town, and she just literally ignores them all it's awful. So then wefast forward. It's now New Year's Eve. It's basically a high school reunion.Everon has matured now and is a lot nicer. Marian has basically made menswith all of her belief throughout the show, which is good because it just shows at everance, bithirt andyeah, so that that was a good time. CONALL finally displays like a littlebit of affection towards Marianne in front of all of these people by likekissing her an mnight of being cute...

...when they like, walk into the party helike Amet, like it seems like humeditly,let's go of her hand to hug his friends and she gets like really worried. It'slike Oh, it's high schooll over again, but then like as soon as he sees her again. Helike puts his arm around her and like kisses her in public and like Theylik,say that they love each other, and it's like a good growth moment, because yeah we love to see it yeah. So now we are back in Dublin andthe show ends really with them. Ending things for now, so conall can go to NewYork, so they don't actually even end up together in the end. So love that-and even so I was looking up like what happens like if there is a sequel oranything and the person who wrote the book wrote ashort story a few years later about like what happens to conall and Mariann,and it's they're, just like friends reallywho have like KINDOF. The short story ends with CONALLbreaking up with his girlfriend at the time and Marianne ending things withher boyfriend at the time I think and they're like twenty three or twentyfour at that point with their close friends. So I don't know they don'teven end up together in that I get like I get it as upposed to benormal and, like things aren't always perfect and like things don't end howyou on the end but like come on after all of this, like really, I feel likemy time was wasted right. I literally at the end, I said gross it's over yeahlike they just like end it with them eing like basically exactly what happened whenthey broke up, because he couldn't stay in Dublin for the summer it' just likeyeah, I gess frustrating. I have somethingthat might cheer you up a little okay, this a little warm your heart. So youknow how conall wears that chain on his yes yeah. So at the end of the series,when they were wrapping, the actor actually gave the woman whoplays Maryanne his chain is that's sweet yeah, because I didnotice that, like every time we took a shirt off like youjust see the chain Snick, and I wondered if I had any likesignificance, like I guess technically not but like giving it to hurt. The endis TAT's Mos me, I think Cono wears it, because it's like the one nice thingthat he has okay yeah. That makes sense but yeah like I, I kind of felt disappointed in the show.It was fine like there's nothing wrong with it, butit wasn't like I mean there Al some thing trong with it, but it like wasn't extraordinary, doesn't make me want towatch again it just like. You know yeah and I hate to say that, because I knowhow much like people really liked it and I wanted to like it- I'm gonna- say a little confession hereto the audience. I actually watched like the first few episodes of the showback in like what mayor June and yeah, I thought Youad just watched like themlast week. No, I had to stop because it was kind of boring. This is the first Ti'me finding outabout Tha Shedid Huh, but yeah. Unfortunately, I did like well, I wouldstill say, like this accounts is how we never seen this before, because it wasso long ago that I don't even remember well t wasn't that it feels like alifetime ago because climis different in quarantine and it like. I didn't,remember any of it really. I just...

...remember that, like I stopped for somereason, and then I remembered why it was like only like the first twoepisodes. HMI, don't know, I guess it's fine, a little litle hurt. Okay. When we didtwilight, you sall scenes of twilight. Everyone seen scenes of twilight. Thebaseball scene, who hasn't seen the baseball, see on', think I did beforethat, Oh God, all right. Whatever sorry, I guess, wel cancel the show now,because I cheat it's over there's. No, all right, woving on find somethingbetter yeah. So I guess, if you want to be our winner of our game at the beginning ofthe show every week you can follow us on Insagreem and how we never podcastand on twitter and facebook help me never and youtube were sometimes on there too. Next season we're going to try and dovideo recording, so you can see our lovely faces. That means I need to like look nice every time, yeah make up fon and do my hair not have wethair but yeah exciting, and thank you again for overthree hundred follers that' super cool and we're, like, I think, were likefifteen hundred stream, which is really ny but yeah. Thank you. OFFOR listeningand W'll see in the next episode. FY pieace, Hey, congratulations. You've made it tothe end of our podcast. We hope you enjoyed listening. How have we neverseen this before is produced by Isbel aroome? The music is by Scott homes.The podcast art is by Michael Beaumont over at monitor comics, and our socialmedia is won by Lauren Cola. Thanks for listening.

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