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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 2, Episode 9 · 1 year ago

The Queen's Gambit: "Let's Play."

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In Season 2 Episode 9, Isabel and Lauren discuss The Queen's Gambit.

Join us as we discuss how we think the actor that plays benny is a vampire, how we didn't know that chess could be so intense, and how Elizabeth in Paris is a better show than Emily in Paris.  

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... seen this before? This week we watched the Queen's Gambit. Join us as we discuss how we think the actor who plays Benny is a vampire, how we didn't know chess could be so intense and how Elizabeth in Paris is a better show than emily in Paris. This is a podcast where two best friends talk about movies they've never seen before. I'm Isabelle and I'm Lauren, and this is how have we never seen this before? This week we actually have two winners of our guests the show of the week. Our first winner is Clarissa, who has won before and I think she was actually the first person to ever guess any of our movies or shows correctly. And then our second winner is Cam, one of Lauren and my friends from Australia. So congratulations to youtube and let's get into the episode. Good morning and welcome to the sleepy time. Sorry, I'M gonna go back to bed now. Um, we hope you all enjoyed a last week's episode. It was a weeklong series called election night. Yeah, that's why we didn't last week. It was just too much. Yeah, if he's set. If you want a representation of our mental state right now, just take a look at Chris Cuomo and see how he's doing, because that's how we're doing. HMM OOR guy. I think the election broke him. I think it broke most of us. I had a headache every night from just like staring at my screen for hours upon and not that like I don't do that anyway, but it's a little bit more intense. Yeah, just refreshing the New York time selection page, even though it updates automatically like every two seconds. Yeah, but we're back in just as all right as ever. We watched the Queen's Gambit and before we begin, Lauren has some fun facts. But first my fun fact is that I didn't know this was about chess. Same I thought it was going to be about royalty and then when I saw was chess, I was like, Oh God right, but spoiler alert, like I've really liked it. Sa's look so much more than chess, but also I played chess when I was little, so like of course you did. My sister and I. We had chest computer games. They were really fun. I am not ashamed. They were more so my sister's games and I wasn't allowed to play them, but occasionally I was allowed to play them and I like them. See, that's the difference between our childhood. You playing the chest computer games and I played Pat Jama Sam and Insana quarium. I I got to play in Sant Aquariu when I went over to my neighbor's house and I absolutely loved it and I to this day been looking for a free version online. Yeah, but anyway. Okay, so before the fun facts, actually just a little bit about the show. This is about chess, but it's really cool. celebrank. We have this girl, Beth, who was raising basically raising an orphanage, and she learns chess from the janitor and she's like this math prodigy but like also chess, and they like drug the girls and everything. So like that helps her like hallucinate the games in her mind and she can just like play them in her mind, and so she's just like really good and...

...she becomes the Kentucky state champion the US or the US champion, some sort of international champion, and then she becomes like the world champion, beating the Russians in Moscow. That I just like told you the ending of the show. Sorry, but yeah, anyone who's listening and away would get the spoilers. So, yeah, that's true. This whole show's just like a giant spoiler alert. Yeah, I've never put it so sorry, I'm thinking you have to know by now. It's fine. Yeah, okay. So now some fun facts we should we should do like a dodddd fun facts of Mari. There we go. Okay, but fun facts. We're getting into it. Um. So the Queen Scam. It is based off of a on one thousand nine hundred and eighty three novel by Walter Tevis, although the show is based off of fictional novel inspired by Tevis's own life, and Beth harmon isn't real. This chess expert, Dylan Mcclain, says that her story reminds him of another chess prodigy, bobby fisher, who is a man. So basically the timing of the story aligns, and Beth also plays competitions that actually happened in Latvia and Paris in the s this this was mentioned in a New York Times article. And then the icing on top of the cake, though, this is where the tea is. Bobby Fisher was apparently really sexist and said that woman aren't women aren't smart and they can't play chess. So the show is basically like a big slap in the face to him and I love that. That's what he hats for being sexist. Sure, okay, so that was my first fun fact I have. More so, the original book was actually supposed to be made into a film and directed and start by Heat Ledger and Ellen page before he died, and that was in an l UK article, which is exciting. I kind of like, who would heath have played? I think it was, oh, Benny. Yeah, that would have been so cool. Yeah, he did such a good job. Yeah, like, you're right, try to imagine someone else. You're right, but also, like, I Love Heat Ledger. Okay, the last fact is it has to do with the fashion of it, from fashion history kind a standpoint. So the show has a custom wardrobe made by a Berlin designer, Gabrielle Binder, I think that's how you pronounce her name, and fashion plays like a huge part in the show, like, for example, it represents how like out of place Beth feels in society at the beginning of the show, like based on her outfits and like the designer also incorporated a lot of like checker patterns into most of her pieces, which is like really cool because, like, Beth would probably pick those out. And then you also get to see how s fashion evolves into s counterculture, by going from like the new look silhouette to Beth wearing like jeans, a t shirt and even, Um, a Pierre Cardam dropweights dress inspired like outfit. Really Cool. And Yeah, I just really appreciate the fashion in it because I love fashion history. I studied a bit of it in college, and so what I saw all of these references. I was like, Oh my God, I need to write this down. I yeah, I like now like watching anyach. I feel like it's only been two shows since we did emily in Paris, but I'm just like everything's better in Paris. Could never and they're getting...

...a second season. I know. I saw that and what? Also, I was so sad to find out she wasn't real. I'm like, I was also like okay with it when it was just like supposed to be a slap in the face to this other guy. Yeah, that may be happy, but yeah, so, I mean now, knowing that juicy stuff, the team will get into the episodes. So there were seven episodes. It's for what I understand. It's a miniseries. It this is it. There's only seven episodes or they're not going to add more like another season, ever, and they were all an hour or more long. So this is a lot of time, but we did it for you. So we did it for you. Are Beautiful View listeners. If we ever of this on Youtube and you can see your faces, will figure that out for season three. So our characters. Our main character is Beth and she I mean I w tell you a little bit about her already, but she's in this orphanage because her mother died in a car crash that she caused intentionally, and you're it's like it's unclear whether she was mentally unstable or like. By the end it's pretty clear that she was, but Um, you don't know why that happened. And her father's just like out of the picture and she is the chest grand bill shed. I think she becomes a grandmaster by the end of it. I won't give too much else. I think it'll be explained as we go. And then we also have joline. She's pretty much in the first couple episodes. She's I love her. I think she's great. She was towards the end as well, but she is one of the first people that Beth meets at the orphanage and she like she's a rebel. She basically teaches her how to survive in this environment that's not great, like, but she also kind of helps her become a drug addict, but not intentionally. She like tries to like tell her like how much not to like to be careful. Yeah, he's she's also really young when they're also children. So it's a god Joe. But Joan, I know like the singing that, but I think it's also important to mention that Joelene is black and that she's the only black girl in this entire orphanage and she's seen girls upon girls get adopted before her, including Beth, and she's also a lot. She's one of their, one of the older girls in this orphanage, and she never gets adopted, which is which is really sad because she's really cool. And I think another person that's important is her mother, her adopted mother. I say mom a lot, so whenever I say mom later on we're talking, I mean her adopted mother. She when Beth was adopted. It was more for the wife in this family. The husband didn't doesn't really care. He's never there, but she's she doesn't know how to be a mother, but she comes into it after her husband leaves her and is really supportive of everything that Beth does. I was just going to add like towns. MMM. So along her chess journey she does meet a few people who will talk about but the main ones are towns. So towns, I don't know his first name, he just never tells us. It was by towns and he's just a handsome chess player who Beth is smitten for. And then they're is Harry deltic. He's a chest dude that kind of helps her out and he's played by Dudley Dursley. That I I didn't see because he looks so different because he's...

...not a chunky boy. He did. Yeah, he's now a skinny legend. And then the last one is Benny Watts, who is kind of like an Andy Warhaul inspired esque like type of character his fashion, but that's all facade because he's also like a really nice guy who helps Beth. Yeah, he was like the US champion before her. Yeah, chess. Yeah, I think that's it. There's some like other random chess people that like aren't like that important. They don't matter. They're enough, but anyway, let's get into it. Finally, episode one is mostly a flashback, but we first see a scene that comes up towards the end of the show, which is Beth in France, in or Paris, in one thousand nine hundred and sixty seven, and she is like she just did like drugs or she was drinking really, really heavily and late the previous Ding and she's late for her big tournament against some guy. Wait, I have a question for you. Yeah, at this point, like at that exact point, did you know that it was about chess yet? I wrote my note. I didn't know this was about chess. Oops, before episode one, my so I think I did know that, but just because I had honestly, right before I started watching, I saw a buzzfeed article about this, so I think that's what it was. Okay, I wouldn't. When I suggested this to you, I had no idea. Okay, I didn't know this was about chess at all. So I went through like half of the first episode without knowing. I still thought I was about like royalty for something. The orphan becomes the Queen. But anyway, that's like it. That's all we see of that time for a while and we find out that her mother's died in a car crash when she was nine years old and she goes to this orphanage. One thing about this orphanage, though. So, like you go, you see their bedroom, which is like this massive room which just like beds upon beds upon beds, and it like really reminded me of something and I couldn't put my finger on it, but then I was like, is it the Samantha, American girl do'll movie with her friend Nell Nellie, and she lived in an orphanage in New York City, right, yeah, and then at the end of that day adopt her and Hers Right, okay, that's what I thought it was. And then, like some kid like SOS their finger into a machine that was traumatizing as a child. Yeah, that's all I could think about for like the first ten minutes of the show because I remember that trauma as a child. I think every girl our age well like that is a I think they're called a flash fold memories. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense. That's a Flashbul yeah, but like I love American got all. I think they're great. They try to be historically accurate, but that's beside the point. Okay, so when they're there at this orphanage, all the girls get two pills every day. They get a pink one and a green one and they're apparently vitamins, but as soon as she takes it, the green one will both of them. As soon as she takes it, she like is stumbling, she can't focus, she can't walk and it's actually a tranquilizer pill, which is like like crazy, but joline tells her not to take it, like just like hold it in her mouth and save them. Basically, as her time in the orphanage progressive, she is so much better than all the other girls in school, so she always just like leaves class to go into the basement and clapper racers, but she actually goes to try and play chess with the janitor and she learns by just watching him play that he won't teach her until she he like says she's ready. And one thing I think is really, really cool about the show...

...is like so she decides to save her pills and take them at night, which isn't cool, like they shouldn't be giving children tranquilizers, or anyone for that matter. But Um, she takes them at night and then she'll stare up at the ceiling and play chess in her mind on the ceiling, and I thought that effect was really, really cool. Yeah, just like they were like moving the pieces or like moving around, but upside down, and it was really cool. Yeah, if you really cool to have like that much spatial awareness to where you could just like play chess on the ceiling, like even like I don't understand when people can like play chess by themselves. Yeah, like and just like move anything wrong. But yeah, so basically she's incredibly good and the man from the local chess club, which is there's a high school right next door to them, and he comes over and he is like, I want you to show me you playing, and she's incredible. She'd beat him pretty much instantly. I think, yeah, like this is a forty year old man and she gets to go to the high school every Thursday to play with their chess club. And at this point they the state is going after the orphanage for giving children tranquilizers. So she doesn't have these pills anymore, but she's addicted to them. She's going through withdrawal. But she's back at the school, the local high school, and she plays every member of the chess club at the same time, so it's probably about like ten, twelve members, and she plays one move on each board and then goes around and beats the entire team in an hour and twenty minute. So when she comes back she's addicted to the pills and like hasn't had them in a couple of days, so she doesn't really know what to do. So what she does is is, during like a movie time, she sneaks out and goes to there like little pharmacy area, breaks in and reaches inside the jar of these pills and eats like two handfuls of pills and then steals the whole jar and then then she passes out and that's the end of episode one. Yeah, so a lot happens, as you can see. It's so much because like each of these movies, or each of these episodes are like a movie, like they're at length, almost the length of a movie. It's a lot. Yeah, and like we're like when we say an episode is like an hour long, like we're really saying that it's like forty two minutes, because we allow for like commercials and stuff like that, but these were fully an hour long. Yeah, it's not like a TV hour, it's a it's a full hour. Yeah, and I don't know, I think that I was a little bored at some points. I feel like, yeah, I definitely could like, yeah, it's a there's so much that they have to like drag it out at some points. HMM, yeah, I get but I still like really, even though I found like some parts like a little bit boring, it might have just been because we watched this and like just a few days I watched this in a day. How I've been busy, so I had to watch it yesterday. Oh my God. Yeah, so I don't know. Did you have anything like you really wanted to say about episode one? Nothing, really, but like it's weird that we washed this show this week because a few days ago I was like binging try guy videos and I'm like the one where they they try to beat this chess grand master. So I've learned a little bit about chess before watching this and if I like have watched this and been like Oh, like, she's it's impossible for her to play all those people at once. Like, if I hadn't watched that video, I wouldn't have believed that that was possible. Because this man, he blindfolded himself and played all of them at once and he beat them all. Yeah, I feel like in movies and like not like historically, but you always just like think that like the chest people are just like like nerdy and then like they don't really matter. But like...

...these people are insanely smart, like Beth can, like she played her game against the teacher, the chess teacher, like not even looking at it. She would feel she would hear her move, his move and then just like tell exactly what she was going to do. And and a lot of these tournaments they and early because they both can see the moves that are going to play out and they just stopped because like one of them knows they're going to lose. Yeah, it's insane, like and they like called draws because they like they'd know they're going to lose, and it's it's like crazy. There's so much more to chess. Yeah, who knew chess could be so intense? Yeah, okay, moving on to episode two, I don't have as much for this one as the first one so be a little bit shorter. So we start off Beth can't get any more pills and she's not odd to play chess, and then fast forwards to her being a teen or something. Yeah, yeah, so now she's a teen. This, wait, this was weird because I thought maybe they were like, I guess it is never like amount to anything, but I thought they were like lying about her age, because when this family comes to adopt, she like goes to say your age, but the head mistress like stops her. She does, she lies about her age, and so it's kind of hard to tell how old she is at some of these points because, like I wrote this down like how confused I was at her age because some of it didn't align properly. But, yeah, I didn't know how like that would contribute to her playing chess in the future, like if like lying about her like I didn't know like if there were like age groups or something, but it never mounts to anything. So that's why I was like a little confused. Yeah, I also think it didn't matter because she was so a head in school that it was the right age anyway. Yeah, and maybe I'm sure she told Almah, oh, almost her mom and he's so get her knee. They also like now it like goes to like the actual like actor for Beth and she like looks so much older. That's why I like I don't know. I was like maybe they just wanted to get her in or something. But yeah, yeah, so now she's a teen and this couple comes to the orphanage and wants to adopt her, and the man is kind of He's like Classic S Dad. I thought he was going to be abusive. So I got that vibe from him, but I mean he's like kind of like emotion like, but like I thought like physically or sexually abusive towards her. Yeah, that's what I thought, because she was her mom was like yeah, like Austin, that that's a dad's name. Actually wanted to adopt you, and he was like she was like we wanted an older kid and saw I was like, Um, what's up? That's the feeling that I was getting to. But yeah, none of that happened. Nothing like violent really happened. Yeah, yeah, I'm so used to violence that I'm like actually surprised when things like that don't happen. But well, that for American TV. Okay, yes, so she gets adopted. Her Room is really nice and she finally has like a room all to herself. So that's pretty spectacular for her. And their house is like a classic s house, so gross. Yeah, I gotta love it though. And so then it's her first day of school and the girls are being so mean to her because she kind of looks out of place. Her clothes are a bit drab and she's like a nerd. And so she she does kind of make a new friend at lunch, but also at the same time she's not very friendly, like I understand. I understand that's because she hasn't been she's not used to being in social settings like that. But I don't know, maybe just extend in all of branch. Yeah, so then she has to go and buy cigarettes for her, her adoptive mother, and she sees a chess magazine and steals it and she wants to enter a chess tournament and then her mom gets a prescription for tranquilizers. Oh wait, I think she wants to out of the tournament but she doesn't...

...have the money. So she writes a letter to the janitor. Oh yeah, about like can you give me five dollars. I'll pay you ten if I if I win anything. Yeah, yeah, and so he does, and that comes back later. And so the mom also suffers from addiction. She's constantly seen, like taking tranquilizers. She has a prescription for that. She's heavily drinking and she always seems kind of sick. She's always coughing and feeling under the weather, and so Beth steals her supply of tranquilizers all the time. And Yeah, so then she enters the chess tournament against all of these boys and one girl. She doesn't really understand how chess tournaments work because she's always played so informally with people, so she doesn't understand how ratings work. Ratings are kind of like how many matches you win and like it's kind of like your your place in the chess community, your skill ranking. So she has a rating of zero. And so they set her up with this girl because she won't be able to play any of the guys until she beats her, which is kind of exist I like. Even though, like, I know they weren't supposed to do that, I feel like it was good because she taught her, yeah, what she means to do, which is good. Yeah, the girl was like really nice to her, which is I love that for her, girl supporting girls. Yeah, yeah, and so she basically beats ever and at this chess tournament and then gets her period for the first time at the chess tournament, and then the girl from the from her first match goes and tries to help her, which is also really nice. I love her. And so, yeah, so that was that chess tournament. She like baffled everyone, which is great, and then her New Dad, Austin, leaves her mom, which means the orphanage could take her back if anyone finds out, which is scary for her. But yeah, so then she oh, sorry, the chess tournament hasn't ended. This is I'm so sorry if I'm confusing anyway, then she goes back to the chess tournament. It's like a weekend long ordeal and she is undefeated and beat someone on his way to a grand master rating. So she gets the attention of everyone and the mom realizes that she can make money if Beth place chest so they decide to continue going to tournaments. Yeah, and this is where she meets towns, the handsome man, and she also meets Beltic here, right. Yeah, that's like the one who was on his way to become the great master. You. Yeah, and I just think that one she says, Oh, come on, you ugly piece of trash. That was great. Yeah, she says that to herself in the mirror. Yeah, that's that's my morning affirmation. One thing I like thought about this, and I think I read it in a later episode, but when they started like going to more chess tournaments, I was worried that the mom would use her for money. Yeah, like the way it like felt at first. It was like, Oh, like, you can earn money out of this, like let me go with you, let me hold this check, like all like this, all like I'll handle it. She doesn't do that. I think the way it actually turns out, which happens in the next episode, is really good. I feel like a lot of the things that I thought would happen didn't happen, and maybe that's because I'm so used to all the bad things like coming from other people. It's like it's always like a external struggle instead of an internal struggle. Yeah, and I feel like for this one it was best like internal struggle with herself more than yeah, because everyone else was really supportive of her, but she kind of tore herself down. Yeah, like her own worst enemy is herself, because even her enemies in this show are looking out for her. Yeah, some of them get into...

...it. Yeah, that's not too later. Yeah. So, I mean for me four, episode three is probably my shortest one, so I'll work milly through it. So up, each episode kind of starts with a flashback of some sort. This one it was a flashback to her biological mother trying to drown herself when they were when she was really young or when bath was really young. If that's a lot of I feel like some of that like self sabotaging, like nature that Beth has is like comes from her mother, and that's like he's trying to figure out like if this is her if it's like something that she has to like tackle her life, I guess. But episode three is in the first half. Is in Ohio at the next tournament and Benny is there. But Benny is that I wrote. He's that guy that always looks like a child, even though he's like thirty five. He's literally thirty and he looks like he's younger than us, like he's the kid with the blond hair. He's in loveness, love actually, and maze runner. Yeah, he's the British one that like everyone's like, Oh, maybe he could play Harry and aught. You, you, but like because he looks like a child. So, no, I don't know his actual name, but it doesn't matter. You know what talking about. I'm convinced that he's a vampire. Yeah, and love. Actually, he was thirteen when he was playing, like a six year old. No, he's literally a vampire and Kira Knightley was fifteen and she looked like an adult, while he was thirteen, looks like a child. It was so weird. Anyway. Anyway, so he's a chess master and at this tournament everyone knows best name and they're when they see her sit down with them, they're like because they know they're going to lose to her, which is like cool. And after this tournament she like wins it, her mom actually asks if she could get like an agent's fee, like she doesn't want to like take all her money. She's like maybe like ten percent for like helping you and coming with you, and she was like, you know, what about fifteen? So like it's nice. Like they have like a good deal going on. What they do is they lie to her high school about her being sick all the time so she can go to these tournaments. I think it's a miracle she graduates high school later. Yeah, but like she's Super Smart, so it doesn't really matter. She also gets interviewed by Life Magazine and is also invite it like as she like gets more famous, sort of the girls at the school chat like sort of become nice, but it's like fake nice and they invite her to over to their house or one of the girl's houses, and while she's there she gets like pretty uncomfortable. She's like I don't just don't want to be here. So she leaves the house, but before she leaves she steals the dad's alcohol and she this kind of starts her during like she starts becoming addicted to alcohol as well as a drugs. But we after that, we kind of like jump to when she goes to Las Vegas, which is in the big US tournament. I think this is two years later, right, so the last Vegas one is apparently in one thousand nine hundred and sixty six. I don't know. Oh, so we're three years into the future because, yeah, it jumped a lot and I don't know why. Town towns is like, oh, it's been a couple of years since I saw you last, so I was like, oh, it's been probably like two years, because that would make more sense. Now I have no idea how old she is because I was trying to count, like I based how old she was off of this episode. Okay, well, whatever towns is in Las Vegas. Beth is also taking Russian now so she can be prepared when the she starts playing Russians, which like comes as you get better, because the Russians are the best in the world in chess. But she goes to towns his room to take a picture from a magazine and to play chess, but it seems very sexual. Yeah, that it seemed like a little weird, but whatever. But then, anyway, this other guy comes in and like it stops and she's like Huh, so they started to play chess and then she leaves because she's upset. Her mom also lets her try beer at this and she like drinks it incredibly fast, but her mom doesn't stop her...

...from getting another one, and I'm like just like, could you have, like, if you would like, stepped in in any way, like might not have gone as bad, but anyway. So throughout this whole tournament she has to play Benny, like Benny's the uos champion. In her final game is against him, but he liked caught her off guard with the move. So she like thinks back to when she was playing with the janitor and he would tell her to resign at this point. So she thinks about her like how she's played so far, and she has played better than him and all the other games. So when she resigns, they both become US champions. So it like all works. She like she becomes a champion, but she's upset because she's not the Champi. Being on her own. One thing, I don't know if you know this, like I'm asking. Do you know the answer? Um, why do they have to write their moves down? Oh, to explain the like with every time you go and you like hit the little button to stop your timer, they then they have to write down exactly what they just did. But why do they have to do that if pete like people are watching them so closely, like, why do they have to do that? I don't think they have to, because if you watch the first tournament that she ever did. She was just like looking at the chess board and didn't write down her moves. But I think as you go on and play people who are more difficult to beat, you write down your moves to keep track of what they did and what you did in the match. I could be wrong, but that's what I thought. Any A chess grandmasters out there? No one WHO's a chess grand master whatever listen to maybe I asked my sister. She maybe she'd know. Yeah, but I thought was interesting about this episode. Well, actually, what I thought was annoying about this episode is that the woman who interviews her for Life magazine is the worst journalist I've ever seen. Oh, yeah, she sucks. She yeah, she basically just infers things to get a story instead of asking real questions, and she doesn't print anything that she says. Really, she just like kind of like takes what she wants and like manipulated. Yeah, she talks about that, talks about Mr Shivel, the janitor, and talks about how like he basically taught her chest and amazing he is. And Yeah, so she doesn't print any of that and she calls her crazy. Essentially, yeah, I feel like that also like really doesn't help it like kind of like makes her think, like am I like? Am I turning to my mother, like what it? What's happening? MMM? So, episode four, it starts off with Beth in her Russian class and she is finally making a few friends. kind of I feel like her, I guess, because we don't know how old she is. But like her social interactions like progressed like wildly, like it goes from nothing to everything. Yeah, which is like fine, I guess, but it's just like it's very strange to me, like after being so secluded, all of a sudden she's just like doing what you'll explain. Yeah, so they invite her over to like party with them at one of the People's House and houses, and she starts getting into weed because, like you know, it's the s good old time for everyone, and then she ends up sleeping with one of the guys and it's awful. Essentially, she's like what is this? And then the next day, ever and in the house is gone for the day. So they tell her to stay as long as she'd like, and so she takes that as a sign to just go on a bender and she chugs wine smokes cleans the house would be so put off. Five I I told someone that they could like chill in my house for the day and it's like immaculate when I walk in because they spent the day cleaning. I do. Yeah, and so her mom isn't really bothered by it when she calls and checks in on her, like she's kind of low key happy about it because Beth is finally making friends, which she really struggles with because, yeah, she's so obsessed with chess.

So then, after all that happens, Beth finally graduates from high school, assuming she's like nineteen at this point. She must have been held back like a year two because she never showed up to school. I don't I don't know. But now she's off to Mexico for a tournament. She's going for this tournament, but they're also meeting this guy her mom has been corresponding with for kind of a long time. He's like a salesman. Yeah, he's like a shifty salesman, Shitt yeah, that's like in the back then. Like yeah, he's like some probably something like terrible products, like yeah, door, doorman, doortodoor salesman. Yeah, Beth is like out of the country for the first time. She's in Mexico, but all she can think about is chess, while her mom goes off on little adventures. But this dude. But then she eventually convinces her to like go to the zoo and kind of relax. So then she's killing it at the tournament until this little, like Russian kid just starts like like meet meeting her match. Is that the right term? Yeah, yeah, but his flaw is that he thinks that Beth is really pretty, even like eight years old. Yeah, he's really young. So this is understandable, like it's amazing that he's even able to get as far as he did. But they basically have to keep a journeying because it's going on forever and it ends with her distracting him and he eventually loses. And he wants to be a world champion when he turns sixteen. I hope he achieves that. Will never know. And so then she has to play this Russian man, Boor Golf, who's supposed to be the best chess player. This is kind of like her boss level. Yeah, yeah, and so he before the match starts, he's in the elevator talking smack about her in Russian, but because she has been taking Russian classes, she understands. She actually ends up losing to him. And then she walks up to her hotel room and finds out that her mom has died of hepatitis. So Sad. Yeah, it's awful. I was so sad. Like imagine all of that happening in one day. Could not. So then she calls her Dad, her adopted Dad, Aus Austin, and of course he doesn't care, even though he was probably the one who gave her hepatitis to begin with, because he's been off sleeping with random women around the country. But he tells her she can have the house if she takes care of burying her and the mortgage payments. Yeah, and the mortgage payments. Boiler alert. That doesn't happen. Well, he doesn't hold up his end of the deal. Yeah, and she holds up her end of the deal. But yeah, I kind of have I have a question for you. Okay, so in the episode someone says you've got your gift and you've got your cost. What do you think your gift is? What do you think your cost is? I don't know. I'm not gifted. Yes, you are. I was good. I was like one of those gifted kids in elementary school and then I like coasted through life and now I'm like freaking out. Your God, shut up. I don't know. I mean I think I'm like good a lot of things, but I procrastinate. I think that's probably my God, your cost, like I wait until the last minute to do anything, like even when I start, like I'll start things like super early, but I'll never finish until the last minute. Yeah, like this, like I didn't start this until yesterday, so that was a seven hours of my day. Yeah, I did do it before like midnight, though, so there's something I think that. Yeah, I don't know what my gift is,...

...but yeah, what are you? What's your what's your gift? I'm like you. I was one of those like gifted kids, stop of it. Your gifted ever, who never had to try and school. Even in college, I didn't really try very hard to maintain my GPA. And so now that I've graduated and life isn't like school and really struggling because I'm my gift is being a good student and my cost is that that doesn't apply anywhere outside of school. I hate like that's like I feel like yes, but like, so that's like how American students are raised. Like we're taught to be a good student. We're taught exactly what we need to do to get good grades, because that's the only thing that matters for sixteen to twenty years of our life. And then, like what do you do? You cry in the shower every day, like we're not like we don't have to take tests every week, we don't have to write essays every week in real life. So like I get like writing, skills, transfer whatever. Like what do you do with all that? Like, what do you do? I don't know. Like I said, cry in the shower because your life is lost. It's meaning, Oh God, Oh God, I only have six months left. Now you'll be fine, you're gifted game. Okay, moving on from our tragic lives, an episode of five Harry Baltic. So he calls up Beth and offers to train her and says that she really can't get locked into one idea of how to play chess. Like she's very intuitive players. She like plays as she's seeing it. She doesn't necessarily think about strategies or named chess moves. Basically, he says that she needs to understand her opponents better and to like read their books and like know their games. So he's trying. is also clear that he's really like trying to hit on her. And then he like sees the drugs in her bathroom, the the tranquilizers and like tries to like I guess, like be there as a to help her not use them. So they like hang out all the time and then he's like, I need to like go live in this apartment that I have because I'm going to college as well, but then she's like now, you can just live here, and then he kisses her and then she's like, I wasn't ready to do it again when they sleep together, but it's like very awkward after and they like just don't know what to do. They're kind of just like sitting there and she's like, well, you can go to your room if you want, or you can stay here, like I don't care. It's just like man. So it was God, it was so weird. But basically she goes to the far, I think this far. It's cute. She like goes to the pharmacy where she would buy her mom cigarettes, and when she goes in her pictures on the book of the magazine, that the chess magazine that's in there, and he's like, you know, you don't have to steal it, because he knew she was stealing the book when she was younger. So she pays for it. This time. She's like, she says keep the change for like for the first time that she stole the magazine. She's cute and Baltic and her they're like also fighting over time and then eventually just leaves because you just can't do it anymore. But tells her to be careful with all the drugs and the drinking. And this is now. Now we're in the Ohio Championship in one thousand nine hundred and sixty seven, because there are multiple Ohio championships, and that's how I got all confused. Yeah, this is the US championship. Yeah, so Benny is there and they both win all their games and then the next day is going to be the final, but they practice by playing speed chess, which is just like moving as fast as you can, and they like bet...

...on these practice games and Benny wins all those speed games and she gets really upset that she's just like not good enough. But eventually at the tournament. The next day when they play each other, she wins because she's better at him, at like playing like regular chest like not like because she can like think about it, she doesn't have to like move right away. So she wins. After this tournament, she goes to a bar with Benny and she like moves his hair out of his face and it's like, I just like your hair, and then Benny's like I can train you like if you come to New York. So she's like, okay, sure, but then as soon as he gets up, he's like, but we can't sleep together. And Yeah, you know they will, but I yeah, I don't I have a lot to say about this one. I feel like she is like older now, so I don't know, like, I don't know, it's different and I just tend only to hold you was but she's like I I guess finding yourself, really trying to. She's I feel like she's trying to find herself through guys and at the beginning of this episode I didn't mention it, but it's a memory of her biological mother saying that the strongest person is someone who isn't scared to be alone, and I think she's still trying to figure that out because she was alone as a child, but she wasn't really long because she had the chess player or the janitor and Joline, and then she had this family, but now she lost her family and then she had Hay Baltic, but she lost him. So she's trying to like keep making up fur the things she's losing. So she is scared to be alone. That's why I'm getting it. So moving on where an episode six out? HMM. So Beth and Benny are finally in New York City together and Benny lives in this dingy apartment and Beth has to sleep thought an air mattress and it's kind of gross, and Benny Trains her and one night he invites some people to party, but it's a chess party. Um. One thing I think is really good about Benny for her is that he will not let her drink. He won't let her do drugs, like he's like if you're if you're here, there's no drink, like you can't do any of that. And she gets so much better. And even when the other this like party happens, she's offered a drink but she doesn't accept it. Yeah, at the party she meets this French model who travels around the world and they kind of hit it off and she also schools Benny at speed chess, which hasn't really been done in fifteen years, and then apparently that's a turn on for him because they have sex after that. So yeah, now we're in Paris. Who instead of emily in Paris, it's Elizabeth in Paris, a much better show, much better show, better fashion. And so Beth wins her initial matches and now has to face the Russian dude who beat her. And so the night before the match, the French model that she met in New York City is actually in town and she invites her for a drink and of course Beth goes on a bender, because that's just how it happens. So now we're kind of back to the moment that the series opened with. She's late to this chess match with boor golf because of her bender. And Yeah, she lost, big surprise there, and she goes back home alone and she she's in a terrible mental state at this point because she realizes that it was all her fault, that she could have beaten him if she had actually like, been sober the night before, and so things just keep getting worse. This is probably her lowest point. She receives a call from her lawyer saying that Austin isn't really giving the house to her, and so he makes her by the House from him, which is just icing on top of the cake for how bad her day is. That woulds up well. I feel like right right now, she's doing okay, like as soon as he sells the house to her, because she starts like fixing up the house and like...

I feel like that kind of like helps her a lot, but then it goes down hill again. Yeah, so she seems like she's doing okay, but she's she's barely holding on. Also, at the same time, this Christian Group offers to pay for her expenses to go to this tournament in Russia, all in the name of Christian imperialism. And then she she realizes that she's really not okay and she goes on another bender, just guzzling wine and taking drugs, and it's not a good time for her. Celtic is concerned about her, so he visits, but she's passed out and she she wakes up and realizes that she broke the watch that her mother gave her. I don't think we mentioned it, but she always wears this one watch that her mom gave her, her stepmom, Elma, gave her, and she broke it. And she also has to be at this little, like chess tournament at the high school that her first tournament was at in the like in the morning and she runs into the girl that she beat at the first tournament and she's just so rude to everyone. She's mean to this girl, I mean to the the guy running the show. She's mean to Beltic, who shows up to like maybe help her, and so she's pushed everyone away at this point because of her addiction. And then finally, at the end of the episode, someone shows up at her door and what a surprise. It's Joe, Lene, Joe, Joe, Joe. Yeah, I like, I didn't like. I know why they I didn't like her makeup, like she's like trying to rebel and she's trying to do like the it's like MoD, MoD fashion. Yeah, yeah, she's like doing MoD fashion and MoD makeup and it's just like it's a times. But I loved her style before. What I loved her eyeliner. It remo. I didn't like it. I feel like it didn't fit her like I shape she does. She has big eyelids, though, like I could never get away with doing that look, but she could anyway. I mean it's sad that she like everything kind of Crut crumbles down around her in this episode. Yeah, and she's like her own worst enemy. Yeah, but it anyway. So in episode seven, we start again with a flashback and we see the day that her mother died, her by launch, my mother died. They had gone to her dad's house. She didn't recognize her dad because it's been so long since she's seen him. She was like who was that? But she's like her dad has a new family and her mom like can't handle it. So she they're driving and her mom's like close your eyes, and like she drives into an oncoming truck and that's how it all happened. So she's like, I guess, like kind of reliving that because everything kind of has crashed in her life again. So jolene showed up because she found out that Mr Schibel died, who's the janitor. So she's there to like go to the funeral with her and just like be there for her this time, because she didn't know. But so she's sang at her house and she sees all the pills in the medicine cabinet and we also at the beginning of the series, like Mr Schibil gave her a book and it was like a chess book, but she lost it when she was getting adopted and it turns out that Joelne has stolen it because she was upset that she had gotten adopted and she didn't. But she gives it back twenty years like, who knows how long, but several, several years later. But basically, on their way to this funeral, they stopped by Beth's old house, which was a trailer. So she's kind of Julian's trying to kind of forcing her to relive her past and like accept what has happened. So they go to the funeral and no one's really upset and one's crying and she just doesn't understand how no one's like loved him the way that...

...she had loved him when she was little. But they go back to the orphanage and she goes inside and goes into the basement where they had played chess and she sees this board down there which has all of her achievements and everything she's ever done and like a picture of her Mr Shib when it's so sad because he like he was oh, he like followed her career because he was so proud of her, and it made her sad. But I think this kind of like reset her and she realized that she needed to do this for him and for herself and for Joline, who also, like has always been supporting her. So, basically, she calls up this Christian group that offered to pay for her trip and they've already paid for her to go to different things and they want her to like read this thing about how Christianity will save the world because or save the world from Communism. She Act just felt like the Christian group has the red scare. Yeah, it's ridiculous, but basically she says, like, I'm not reading this, I'll give you all your money back. But now she has no money. So she calls Benny and asked him to go to Russia with her, but he's like no, you're you're drunk and you don't want to be. You'd rather be drunk than be with me. I mean, like, what does she expect? Like he he helped her for free and then she's just like, Oh, I need money now, like I only call you when I need something. Yeah, and like she kind of I think it's also she like threw everything away in Paris. HMM. So, like he's just like I totally get why he didn't. It made me sad, but like I get it. But joline says that she will give her the money because she's been following her career and she knows she can do it. Joelanne saving the money go to law school, but she knows like she'll get it back. I was so shocked that she would do that. I would not do that. No, I wouldn't either, but like like wow, but like I'm so proud of Joline for like on a law school. A bad bitch. But she's also like she also tried to call the government to like get money from the cultural fund or something. I doubt we even have that now. So, but they're worried that the Russians will try and like talk to her and pass on a message about communism and whatever, so they give her a guy to go with her and like protect her. So I yeah, so now we're in Moscow in one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight and there's only eight players in this tournament and it's so she wins probably about her first four games, four or five games, and then she has this big opponent who's and he's a really old grand master and he's got like this crazy hair. He seems really cool. But the game goes on for so long that they had journ to the next day. But as she's going to her room she catches three of them working together, and that's the the thing about the Russians that they work together as a team, even though they're like separate game. They're trying to keep the Russians at the top end. That's just like something that the Americans don't do, because Americans are individualists, good old American individuals. But like by catching the three working together, she's like I like really need to work because I know that them working together it's like stronger than me. So she starts practicing and it's really interesting because like at the next day, like when they come back from the adjournment, she beats him really, really quickly, but he's really proud and he's like you're an amazing player, like I'm honored to play with you. Oh, so I was so good, like I made me happy. He was such a homey about losing. I was so happy. Yeah, he was like really good. He like it didn't he was happy to play against like a good player, like it didn't matter if he lost, like he knew how good she was. Yeah, he said that she was the best chess player he's ever seen. Yeah, so we kind of like skip through the next match because it's not important and she's so much better than him. So it's like that one's done. And so there's one leapt and that's Borgov. And the night before she flushes all her pills down the...

...toilet, so she's like like, I can do this without it, and they she sinks. So at that point, and so the next day she's playing Borgov. I think this part was cute, though, because, like everyone in Russia is so invested in this game that this kid is running back and forth from the hall of the game to outside to tell everyone like the moves as they go. But eventually Borgov is the one that says to a journ which is crazy because he doesn't do that. And after like they had journed, town shows up and she's like, Oh my God, towns and from what I understand, like towns is gay. He said he was confused at the time, but he always just wanted to be friends with her. I was confused too, because he was like, I always wanted to be friends with you, but then you broke my heart. I'm not really sure. I think maybe like she just broke his heart because she left and never talk to him again. Yeah, because I could do it too. But so after town shows up, she like there's this weird moment where she like asks him for pills, but then like takes it back. She's like, you don't know, I don't need them. And then the next morning she wakes up and towns is like there's there's a caffree and she picks up and it's Benny and she's so happy because it's Benny and it's Harry beltic and all of her chest friends and they all this is their team working together to like go through all the moves and like whatever possible move can come next and what move she can counter from his move, and it's just like crazy that they can visualize this entire game. All her little nerdy boyfriends are coming to help her, I know, but anyway. So now it's back to the game, like it has to be this, this is it, and Borgov goes first, and then she, for the first time without the pills, she like looks up to the ceiling and visualizes the entire game and they're all like looking at the ceiling. They have no idea what she's doing. But then Borgov offers a draw, which means that they both stop and they both win and which he's never ever done. And she's like thinking to what the janitor had told her, like that you would like would probably say yes to that, but she's like no, like I like I can do this. Like she just shakes her head and she wins and it's amazing because like Bor God knows, like he's like he's really impressed. So he what he does is he like picks up his king and like holds in his hand. Is like take it, like it's yours. So they like I'm showing what. You can't see this, but like they take hands and the like. He was like the weird shake. He was a good sport. He was actually really like kind of when he lost. Yeah, and it was great and she won and it was amazing. And the last thing she does before she leaves Russia, like she supposed to like go to the White House, to all these things, but she like gets out of the car and go to this park where everyone just like sits in chairs and place chest. There's like probably thirty tables and just like people all playing chest the same time and like as she's walking through, they like recognized her and they're so excited to see her and they want to shake her hand. And then the last thing she does as she sees this old like one of the old men, and she sits down and plays a game with him, and it's really cute because it's like the janitor and the playing in the own I love that, so cute. I had like to comments, I think. Well, so, her final outfit that she's wearing is like this this all white ensemble and it's kind of supposed to represent like a white chess piece, especially like the Queen, which is like how she won. She was playing with the white chess pieces. Yeah, so I thought that was a good little symbolic fashion moment and she looks so good. Yeah, she was killing it. And then the other thing that I was going to say is that like the suspense in this episode is insane. Like why did. I cared so much about chess in this moment. I and when her and Borgolf like hug like my heart, that I love that. It was a good moment. Like it was like like she I feel like if she like finally really like beaten herself, like being everything that she's been through. Like obviously you could come back. It's addiction...

...of the disease, but like like she really like had it. Yeah, and like the fact that, so, when she doesn't win by like so, yeah, all the guys help her come up with like moves that potentially borgov would play, but when they go to play like that final end of the match after the adjournment, he plays so unexpectedly that no one knows what to do, and so she beats him still, and I think that shows a like it's kind of a lesson in feminism that you like, yeah, like these guys were willing to help her and teach her, but in the end it really came down to her playing and she could do it by herself, I think. Also, one thing, I forget when it was said, but that you shouldn't play to your opponent. You should just play you, like you shouldn't try to, like I think what I said me sense, but like I think that's what Borgob did. He tried to play her like play how she plays, and that's not like he couldn't win like that, like that's how she wins, because she that's how she plays and she understands that. HMM. Yeah, honestly, like, I love this so much. I thought it was really good. Like it took so much time and, like I say that every week, like watching shows is so much more work than watching a movie. But I did really like this and I didn't think that I would like I because I don't know, I don't know about chess. I was like, I just need to like get another show in, like we got this, but I really liked it. Yeah, and also, like apparently the chess community is really happy with this show because it paints chest and a different light than how mainstream media usually for shreies it. Yeah, so great for them. Yeah, do you think represent the community well? And you'll play chess after having watched this show? I really want to put like I was talking to my roommate last night and he was like, do you want to play chess, and I was like yeah, like we will put chess like I'll bring a board back after winn a break. I've never played chess, but maybe I will learn what we'll go to a park, will play game more of a checkers. Yeah, myself, but they even say like Checker says nothing on chess. No, it's the stupid person's game. Yeah, I really like this evening. Closing thoughts? No, I don't really have anything to add. I just I really enjoyed this show. Yeah, the pacing got a little boring for me, but I think if I had spaced out the time that I took to watch each episode like Washington in House instead of whole Um, I would have not been as full something. Fur long episodes are hard, yeah, especially when there's no like commercial breaks to break up the time. Yeah, it's just straight our of content and I'm not used to it. Yeah, we. Yeah, I thought this was really fun. So, if you would like to win our guests the show of the week falls on instagram. How we never podcast, and on twitter, how we never, and on facebook at how we never seen this before, and we should be up with another episode next week. Unless there's some big election or whatever, unless there's a coup, unless there's a que. Yeah, but this is fun. Will See y'all next week. Bye, bye. Hey, congratulations, you've made it to the end of our podcast. We hope you enjoyed listening. How have we never seen this before? Is produced by is Bo barone. The music is by Scott Holmes. The podcast art is by Michael Beaumont, over at monitor comics, and our social media is run by Lauren Cola. Thanks for listening.

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