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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 2, Episode 8 · 11 months ago

The Haunting of Bly Manor: "It's You, It's Me, It's Us"

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In Season 2 Episode 8, Isabel and Lauren discuss The Haunting of Bly Manor.

Join us as we discuss how we have so many unanswered logistical questions, we have no choice but to stan Jamie and Dani, and what it takes to be Head Ghost.

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Hi everyone welcome back to how have wenever seen this before this week we discussed the haunting of blind manner, join us in our Halloween episode, as wediscuss how we have so many unanswered legistical questions, how we have nochoice but to staynd, Jamie and Danny and what it takes to be head ghost. This is a podcast where two bestfriends talk about movies they've, never seen before. I'm Isabel and I'mLauren- and this is how have we never seen this before the winner of thisweek's guess. The movie contest is one of my good friends. Aden,congratulations, Eden and if you want to be given a shadow at the beginningof one of our episodes, make sure to follow us on Instagram at how ave wenever podcast and check out our instagram story. Every week, happyHalloween, poky, Havyou, belated Halloween. This willdefinitely come out on Monday. It's a twenty Ninh right now, so that happy Christmas season. We wanted to do something spooky spoopySpfer spoopy for Halloween, but it justdoesn't fall in Timelon, considering we didn't think about it until last weekshow not even last week yeah I was likeMonday, but it should be fun, we're in theHalloween spirit. If you want to be in the Halloween Spirit for two more days,yeah, you can join us, you should join US yeah. This is oon has to end onHalloween yeah. It's like Halloween starts in like July right, yeah forever.Christmas gets a long time. Why not itsten Halloween a few days yeah? Ithink it's fine all, but all the Thanksgiving stancs are coming for US eithere any like real, like they.People like like. I get the food, but the people lik really like Thanksgivingthem. Some people do be surprised all right. Well, I apologize for budtinginto your season apologize to the Thanksgiving community, but, as you can tell from the title, wewatch the haunting of blind manner this this day didn't watch it this week welike watch it today, hey speak for yourself. I startedMonday night. Oh, I did start yesterday so like within the last three four dayswe did like okay. So basically, this show is the it's not the second season, but it'sthe second series of like the first Seaon was like haunting of Hill Hunt. I don't know, I neverwatched it, but it's something haunting on the hill or I don't know it's fine, but like a quick, quick gistof the series, it's basically a ghost story, which iskind of cool. The whole series is US learning about the ghost story. If wewant to get into that, I guess we can start with the wingrif wind grave windgrab. I think it's Grav win great win the WO grave family. First, we haveflora and miles who are both children? Their parents died two years before thestory really begins and Flora. She can see ghosts or something like youly, something youdon't really know. She does a lot of staring off into the distante yeah nPeople's shoulders, but she is very sweet. Always does what she's told pretty much,and you can tell throughout the show that she's trying to protect her opairwe'll get into that she tries to protect everyone. I'd lay it yeah. Sothen we have miles. He is kind of the opposite, pretty much. He was supersweet, but then he started developing behavioral issues after his parentsdied, and so he gets kicked out of his boarding school and he's very creepy to the women and the showvery rude and he's like ten floors, like eight so they're, both very youngyeah and then henryis their uncle he's technically in charge of he's liketheir legal guardian he's an alcoholic he had. He hasn't. None of them havereally been right. Since Henry Hen no myles for his parents side, their father was Henry's brother. Theirparents aren't really like important characters. You don't they like come inin one episode, but that's about it,...

...but then there's also Danny, who is there opar she's anAmerican living in London and she's a she was a teacher before, and Iguess, like another thing, she's secretly, gay yeah, it's kind of a bigpart of her character, toe forgot about that her. I won't like say much but,like her relationship like I was almost crying at the end. Oh like I was soinvested and emotional many tears were shed watching the show yeah. So thenyou have a win. He is the cook of Blid manner and he takes care of hismother with Damensha until her passing- and he has a thing for this woman namedHannah grose. I will probably refer to her as missus growth. I don't know why,but my whole like notes, document she's called Mrs Grossand not Hannah so hand grows. She is the housekeeper. She actually lives atblind Mannor, unlike Owen, and she is very religious and she never eats herdrinks throughout the show, which kind of leads you to suspect some things. I, like honestly, I thought they weregoing to like tyng and eating disorder or something but like they. My God like,like I didn't know, I didn't know anything like. I don't know where theywere going to go that, but then, like t, it makes sense wards the end, but likea lot of things, don't make sense and I have questions well get there, but anyway, so another main ishsidecharacteris Jamie, the gardener. She is a gardener. Like I don't know, I don't want to givelike a ton away, yeah. So like she's, a gardener you'll learn more about her later andthen there's also Peter Quint and Rebecca Jessel. So rerecca Jessel wasthe former opair and she died. I suspected suicide and Peter Quint was Henry's like assistantsort of, and he was also like a driver he'd likepick things up and like do errands for them, but he was also messing around Tho pair messing around something about Peter, like okay. Ireally do hate him, but also at the same time like there are some sceneswhere he melted my heart and I, like I hate him, but also at the same timelike I still pity him. I have a look of confusion on my face, just like what El,maybe it's because he's hot yeae cu, be it da she's, not as your type, not anotherJames Marston situation. Did you have anyone else like there's,not really anyone else like there's people you meet later, but they're notlike they're important tof the store, but you don't know about them right now,so it's fine yeah. So I guess we'll get started with the first episode. Yes, so episode, one starts with a rehearsaldinner for a wedding, and some British lady starts telling a scary story toeveryone and the this part takes place in like twohsand.I looked it up like two thousand and seven. They say it. Oh, I don'tremember Ato, look it up yo like show it play flash it across the screen. Ohokay, so it takes place two thousand and seven and then, when she startstelling the story, we go back in time to one thousand nine hundred and eightyseven in London. So a girl Danny, is being interviewed for an oper positionby flora and myles his uncle Henry. She ends up getting the job because no onewants it. The previous olpair died and the children's parents are dead andDanny arrives at the manner. She meets. The Cook Owen, the Children Miles Flora,the housekeeper Mrs Gross, and then she keeps seeing this weird figure inforbidden places, which is weird, but the kids are also acting strange, likeflora is very adamant that Danny doesn't leave her room at night, butdenny kind of ignores her and she gets up. She ends up being locked in acuvoar by flora and miles and is let out a few hours later. Are you okay,dalike there'SS? Okay, I forgot how much happened in the first episode. Iwas like what yeah you were just giving me a look I waslike did. Am I like off? No, no. I was like I like. Have this all written down,I'm like how did all of this happen like these episodes are an hour long? Iguess that's why? Because the shows we normally watch or thirty minutes each.So these have a ton more yeah, so much happens yeah, but, okay. She ends upgetting locked in a cupboar by four...

...miles and is let out later and whileshe was in there, she kept seeing a weird figure in the mirror and I'msorry, but that wasn't really scary at all like this was not a scary show. No,it wasn't and that's what bothered me because I thought the haunting of whatever the other one waslike supposed to be super scary, and I was like Bayby it's because I'mwatching it in the daytime- and I like I have my lights on, but at the sametime I don't think I would have been scared at night. I'm not typically likea horror movie person because they don't scare me and I think, they're alittle dumb yeah I mean like neither of us areeasily freaked out by by that kind of stuff anyway. So Idon't know if someone out there actually found this scary, maybe like achild, would find this scary, but we did not. There's also like little, like subtle hints in each ofthe episodes, like kind of like suggesting like what might be going on.Even in this one like miles is a little creepy. He likewatches. He like almost sees Danny, get undressed me like that's a little weirdOhso, pervy he's so pervy, but there's like a reason. Not a good like likedon't do that, but, like anyway, it's not miles like fault really,because yeah we'll get into it. Yeah and like Myles, also gives Danny thisbutterfly clip that belonged to the previous opair and flora when floors inthe bath. She gets upset with her for having it in her hair and then, likekind of looks to the side like looks behind Danny. She does that a lot andyou're like HMM like. Why is she doing that? But there I don't know, I thinkthat was kind of it, the one that like it was just like Super Cliche, at least this episodelike, of course, she's going to leave her room because flora told her not to.I know this episode made me reluctant to watch the rest, because I was likeOh like if this is what it's going to be like some Hoky Harf like series, Idon't want to watch it, but it turned out to me so much more. Oh also, Iforgot to mention that the Danny is played by the girl. Who Does, I think,love in you. I don't know that o you never watch that. Well. I think Iwatched the first season, but it's second season she's always ha secondseason but yeah. I think it's her Sur. The characters name in you is love.Okay, wait! Do you know who else? I think I think the the woman narrating and Oh yeah she'sfrom twilight. Oh, I was gonna, say she's. I think she's a mom and spy kids.Oh Yeah Right. I think she's also she's the mom, an twilight too. I don't know.I might be way off on that. I don't remember isonebut. I try toblock that out of my memory. We only watch it like four months ago. Yeah there's also like money footprintsall over the floor and you're like why, like at the end of the episode whenshe's Lalks in the closet and you're like, why are there money, footprintsand the forest, but Yeah Cool Nice Yeah? We did it wow so episode to we find out that thesemodey footprints actually happen a few times a year, and there are one of the things about. Floris that she has all these dolls. He has a doll house that looks exactly likethe manor and she has all these dolls and miles like stole one of them andlike threw it down the trash, shoot and there's just like she's scared of thecellar as any little girl would be. But one thing that she does say about. Thedolls which is important to remember is that when Danny asked her like whatwhat's the dolls name, she sais the doll, doesn't remember her name, whichI didn't even think about until right. Now, because, like now that I've seenthe show like I get it but like I didn't understand it then yeah, Ididn't even catch that I don't think I was paying attention. We also like go back at time and mostof this episode so also during this episode, this one's, not as like weirdwith the jumping back and forth. We just like know that six months agomiles was at boarding school. So there's just like a whole section onborning school, basically you're like learning about him getting kicked out of boarding school, and whyhe's there there's one thing that he mentions like he got in a fight. Healso like jumped out of a tree, and he mentions to his friend and to thechaplain of the school that he was trying to find the right key, and it'slike like what is like a key like. Why would jumping out of a tree find you akey like you're thinking, physical key, it's not a physical key, but anyway, that's like kind of like gives you alittle like, oh, maybe something's, wrong with miles. I was thinking he waspossessed and I like wasn't that wrong yeah, but we find out that the reasonwhy he was trying to get expelled was because flora sent him a note to comehome. There's that, but oh I guess Ta...

...guess that is it because he couldn'treally okay yeah Y A got. I got a Guy Yeah Flor Sanmalettar. That said tocome home and there's like three people in the in the drawing that she sent sohe's like. Why, like? What is it? Basically, that's all we see boarningschool and theire back at home and there's this one part of the manrethat they're not supposed to go and like the old wing and they're playing hide and seek and fourgoes into the old wing. Whatever I just said was wrong, so Icut it out and Lauren's going to explain what actually happened. I an so okay, so they're playing hide and go seekbecause they got all their chores done after locking her in the closet and while they're hiding Danny walks into aforbidden section and she hears a music box playing. She goes into the room.She also sees a polaroid with a man and a woman on it who looked to be in loveand while she's looking all of the sudden miles, comes up behind her andstarts choking her and she tells him to. She tells him to ease up and then heeventually does and he wants to continue playing. So he starts runningaway, but Danny starts chasing after him and when she loses sight of him, she all of the sudden sees the man inthe polroid through the window, so she grabs a weapon and runs outside but isdistracted by miles fainting. So she sprints back inside and miles comes to and sees the same thingthat Danny saw cool. I don't know how I got that all wrong that you're not going to hear thatThouh, it's fine. We also found out that the glasses thatDanny has these glasses they're broken. We don't know why shehasn't, but we find out that the glasses are of the person that shekeeps seeing in the mirror. So there's something there's some part of her past.That's want pickher, which waled sid but youknow. I was just really confused as to whyany rational adult would suggest to play hide and go seek in a giant creepyhouse you're, basically asking to be murdered. I mean I think she was likethey're not going to go in that creepy room Allthoug, the roomsare creepy. That's true, and Oh another important thing about this episode isthat Myles asks the teacher. He goes to a Catholic boarding school. I believesome sort of religious boarding, skill and he asked they're talking about theafterlife and the his teacher- tells him that demonshave to be invited. Excepton yeah demons have to be invited intosomeone's body to possess them. So let's just keep that in mind for Latin yeah. I really liked the teacher. Ithought he was like Super Nice. He like he allowed like this, isn't related tothe story at all, but like he allowed miles to like question, he was likethis is like a safe space like you can question what's here, and he likewelcomes like questions about religion, which I thought was really cool, be soepisode. Three. We immediately find out that the man Danny and Mile Saul was aman named Peter Quint, who embezzled money from the wind graves and workedwith Henry, and they believe that he flood the country. That's Whateverin,thinks and the people at the manner think that he came back because ofRebecca Jessil, the previous opair, because they had a fling. So they callthe police and the police come and don't believe them. At least horrormovies and horror series paint the police to kind of be more realistic, they're, like sothey're, always so uncompetent they're like Oh, nothing. We can do yeah when I was getting robbed. I had towait four hours for the police to come, we're all hiding so yeah, so they think that okay, so ever in anblind manner, thinks that maybe Peter Quint doesn't know that Rebecca is dead.So he keeps coming back for her, so that's kind of on the back of theirminds the whole time and someone this whole time has been calling and hangingup and they assume it's him. So now that Everonc'e freaked out, theyall decide to stay the night and have a giant sleep over. I just fun and then next morning, Janny wakes upand finds fora by the lake staring at something and flora kind of freaks out. Then, when she's feeling better, theydecide to do...

...kind of the storytime performance thatends with Myles, telling a creepy speech and Oen finding out that hismother has died. But in this episode we also get a flashback. It starts withRebecca Jessel, the previous oper interviewing for the job in Henry'soffice, similar to Danny and Peter Quint. Is there this time? That's thedifference. She's completely overqualified and Peter seems to notice, but, alas, she gets Ta Job Anyway. So immediately pretty much Peter andRebecca have a thing. It turns into a romantic affair and they eventually endup being boyfriend and girlfriend they weirdly hook up in the dead parentswing and try on their furs, which is all kinds of creepy and messed up. Yeahthat was yeah and Peter is also distractingRebecca from the kids, which isn't good, Mrs Growth, definitely hates theirrelationship and hates Peter, but she likes Rebecca and wants to protect her, but they take that polaroid in the deadparents wing, the one that we spoke about in episode to and Rebeccaexplains to Peter that she wants to become a barraster and can do that bybeing an operan making connections through that, instead of sleeping withmen who are higher up yeah. So that's basically the only reason why she wantsto take care of these kids and then Peter Becomes like grossly possessiveand creepy and abusive to Rebecca, because of her friendshipwith Owen the cook and they're, nothing but platonic, so he's just annoyingYeso yeah. That was episode. Three also Owen and miss grow seem a little flirtyin this episode. Hic is cute and also Danny and Jamie seem a little flirty inthis episode, which is cute, Oh yeah, but the end of the episode is Danny andJamie, like Conan hands for Hotseck, and but after they hold hands. She, likeDanny, turns around and the creepy guy with a curla hair and the glasses isright behind her and you're. Like Oh, no yep a question I had for you actually, sothis episode talks a lot about keys. Peter explains to miles that everyonehas a specific key that opens them up to someone else. What do you think ourkeys are well for me? If you just ask me aquestion, I will tell you my entire life story again, like I don't say anything until likeanybody. Like cares. You know, like I'll, tell you literallyeverything I can remember, which isn't a lot, because I have a awful memory.Ai'll tell you everything. I don't care, it's like, like our therapy hikes,where we just ask each other questions, yeah whenever you go on a hike as yousawt during our midseason break. We just like talk the whole time about,like I mean like I don't know what else you do but like we just talk aboutb. What about you? I don't know I feellike mine's. Just like be nice to me. I don't really know what mine is. Oh,oh, I guess like if you share an experience with me like all open up toyou. Oh you're, empathetic yeah. I don't know that's what yeahthat's if, like someone's empathetic they like care by relating Oh okay, yeah, my laug. My last comment was this whole thing could have beenavoided if these kids had a therapist you're, not wrong. Actually, everyonein the show had a therapist honestly, but it is ne Thou, so don't know times in carfs wer like that,like encouraged, I don't know but anyway. So in this episode we findout about Danny's life before she moved to England, which is like so we learned aout Danny's life before moving to England, and she had this onebest friend growing up her entire life and they end up gettingmarried and what we see is actually like theirengagement party. It's Super Eis, but his mom like gives her her wedding,dress and Dany's, getting really overwole withthe planning, because she's actually gay and she doesn't want to be with himlike this, and they got to dinner and she's like I like can't do this anymore. So they're like they're fighting about itand then they get in the car to leave...

...from this dinner and more fighting and Eddie gets out of thecar, because they're parked on the side of the road he gets out of the carbecause hes just frustrated and as he gets out, you see the lights of aoncoming truck and then it rams into m and he dies which is incredibly traumatic andbasically she's, being haunted by her exfiance who got hit by a truck and shefeels incredibly guilty. So yeah, it's terrifying. Also in thecurrent timeline, win thusnnine hundred an s in London. They are so worried about Pete because theydon't really know what's going on like if he's really there. There's this really strange part where myles like slampedhis hand down on the table as like. I want to drink because they're likejoking about giving kids like like a glass of wine like it's in like other countries like that's totallynormal like here or like Italian families. Do that sometimes, but like he likes like he's like an old man,he's like give me my drink and like runs away, which is likepretty weird. Also you see flooris doll house open byitself and, like you, get a glimpse inside and it looks like everyone is incertain parts or spots in the house, and it's actually where they currentlyare, which is something to think about, but an peters like doll is in miles'sroom like standing over him. So anyway, they also have a campfireoutside at the like, once the kids go to bed and they're, just like saying names of likekids or kids, saying the names of people who have passed like apparentlybondfires comes from like old bones or something like throwing bones on a Idon't know. I don't know the history of a bondfire. I didn't really listen tothat part, but they're all saying different people's names, but at onepoint Danny and Jamie leave and then they startd to make out, but then she seems edding and then shepulls away d. it's like uh, a and Owen also tells Mrs Gross that theyshould move to. Paris is cute and flora start to see the dolls move andin her doll house back in the house and this Lake Lady, that she's talked abouta lot which we haven't mentioned at all. I don't know why. I guess we forgot,but there's this like lady of the lake and the Lady of the lake is like movingthrough the house, so both miles and flora can sei the lady of the lake, andwe don't know why and that's it. Oh they're checking it because Danny'slike moving through the house because afer she saw that guy she kind offreaked down is like drinking yeah, and so they like distract her to protecther from the lady yeah. Oh, and it also ends with Danny symbolically burning the glasses yeah. Is thatthat's kind of like the last we see of that guy right yeah. I think, like her burning, those glosses wassymbolic of her letting go of him yeah and harding. A new chapter yeahand she like won't be guilt, feel guilty about it because, like it's, not her fault is just likesomething that happened yeah. I also think that we have absolutely no choicebut to stand Jamie, absolutely. First of all consent, queen tecinamall, greatsense of humor third of all, she's, a Badass groundskeeper. We don't see alot of women groundskeepers, do we? She just loves some plants. You know yeahshe's super cool. I Love Jamie. I think she's great she's Mi easily my favoritecharacter, yeah hundred percent. Okay, Oh this one might be the shortest oneepisode five. I don't have a lot of notes for episode, right, yeah episode, five o An and Mrs Gross aretalking, and he asked her to go to parisel that there's nothing stoppinghim, but is there something stopping her? Oh mislike compuse me so much okay! Well, let's see, if maybeI can. If we put Ouu heads together, we can Li figure out the correct story,but so myles is basically being reckless again. He starts smoking,which hmm, maybe he picked, that up from Peter Quint who also smokes. Hestarts smoking, he's harassing Jamie being creepy to her, and we also findout that Mrs Gross, his husband, perhaps cheated on her or left her. I Idon't know exactly what it was, but he...

...he did something to her that hurt herand yeah. I think he cheated on her at least that's what like from contextlike cheated on her and then maybe left her yeah. Something like that somethingmean, and so that's why she lives in the manner, and so we basically go intoa flashback of Owen and Mrs Gros's relationship. We also get to meet Mrand Mrs Wingrave for the first time, they're, not as important though inthis flashback we see Peter being annoying. I don't know when that was,but it's my notes, he's always annoying though, and Hannah Catches Peter trying tosteal ms wingraves jewelry and she stofts him. He threatens her and shesays that this is her home you'll leave long before I do. Could that beforshadowing? Perhaps I don't know we'll see we'll see, ts hat a lot butlike he'll, threaten to take away her job yeah. He threatens a lot of people,he's not a good guy, but Peter Basically says that he wantsto run away to America with Rebecca with the wingraves money. He says that to Rebecca, but he leavesout the wingroves money part, so she doesn't really know what's going on and we actually find out that Peter is, hedid not run away. He actually died. So the th t, this kind of flashbackends with the night that he died. He was trying to escape to America. Hegrabs Mrs Wlingrove's jewelry and starts trying to leave, but he gets inthe path of the Lady of the lake and she chokes him and at first he didn'trealize he was dead and then he weirdly possessed Myles, yeah and so t. Theepisode goes back into right before Danny arrives, that sortof timeline and it ends with miles miles or maybe peer possessing miles,winkwing pushing msss growth into a well and killing her. So now she's a ghost she can't go toParis with Owen, because she's dead and she's also kind of an unreliablenarrator. A lot of her memories are fake. Well, her memories are real, butshe can manipulate them. Basically, when you're dead in this show, you canyou always go back to certain memories in your life, usually happy ones andthey happen at random times. So she keeps jumping back and forth betweenmemories while trying to stay in the present, and she forgets who she is.She doesn't know that she's dead and she doesn't really understand what'shappening to her yeah. It's like I don't know. I found it very. I guetsthat it is supposed to be confusing, like she spaces out a lot, and I don'tknow if she's like jumping in time, because she seems to like know what'sgoing to happen. Like I mean I there's Iguess at she's, going to memories, Ithere are Thera Tha each person that dies has a certain thing that kind oftriggers them like for Peter. It's, the knocking on the door triggers hismemory, but I never like real, knocking yeah and then Hanna's is that crack inthe wall? Yeah there's because there was a crackat the bottom of the well yeah, but the crack isn't real in like whenshe sees it in the present time. That's what I don't get. I guess it. Maybe it's like a warningfor like when they're Goinna yeah, it kind of reminds me of like you hear like when people have seizures.They like taste, something or like there's acertain taste in their mouth there, their smell something, and that meansthey're going to have a segure. It doesn't always happen, but likesometimes for some people that can happen. This kind of reminded me of,like you, know how people always say like right before you die your life flashesbefore your eyes, and so these people are dead but they're not in theafterlife, so their life keep their their lives. grammatically incrid keepsflashing before their eyes. They're also definitely impergatory. Theymentione it a ton of times yeah because they're never theyr like itseems like they're, never getting out yeah there's some sort of like theHouse has some sort of hold on them, but find out why later yeah, I A so. I think personally, that Hannah grosshin Paris would be a better show than emily in Paris. I said what I said: You're, probably right. I'm right. I dolike Rebecca jessels clothes in this one. Idon't know how like Danny's clothes are heavy s like I gotlike all them th. Ido like it yeah. I think it's because es is making acomeback right now. Yeah, that's true,...

...but anyway moving on, we got a lot to go through and we'repretty far in already, but we had a lot of confusion, so got batter so muchconfuse. So in episode, six, we kind of learnabout Uncle Henry's story. Basically, he lives at the office and you see himlike he sees ghosts as well. I don't really know if their ghost or if it'sjust like a projection of himself, because sometimes this ghoat looks likehimself and sometimes I thought it was his brother. He is his own demon. Ithink, okay, okay, that's where I was going yeah. He definitely seemed like his owndemon. Basically, WE FLASH BACK IN TIME TO. I guess this one jumps around a lot.I'M gonna go back in time, see giving birth to flora. But there'sjust like weird like thing going on between theMOM and Henry and you're like did he sleep with her? Is Flora, his spoiler ler? Yes, it's pretty obvious. We see that whenwe this, like the past, jumps forward in time like sixish years to Florassixth birthday, and we see that Henry is actually the person who bought flora.This doll house, that looks exactly like the manner and he shows it to themother and then like kind of touch pinkies for a second and when he steps away her actual husband. His brother confronts her and is like it's taken mesix years to do the math, but flora was a really early baby, but she was big if she was early so body. Shame Flora here. It's justchild development, but basically figures it out and islike. Do you love him and she's like yes, but there's more thanthat e Ba Blah Blahblahblah and that's why they go to India, because they'requote unquote: relike living their honeymoon, but I feel like their deathwas on purpose. They don't mention that, but I feellike it was that question never answered. I reallywish it was so I'll leave you to decide that, butanyway, back to the present. So we see in the present four weeks up inthe woods again and Rebecca's ghost is like around so you'rkind of thing always can rebecca, like jump in and out of Flora's body. There's also this thing where we seethis child with no face in Flora's room. Well, that was a flat one of Florasflashbacks yeah. So it's like floras now, like jumping back in timewith memories and are your like. Is Flora? Actually did, but it's actuallysomething else. It's like when Rebecca touches her. She jumps in time because she's notherself, because Rebecca is sort of in control, and so everyone in the houseis getting trapped in these memories. Not everyroommt like it's like iseveryone getting trapped, and we also find out that the uncle has been theone. That's calling the house he's so distrougt after everything that we justlearned about his affair, that he just like can't bearound them, because it's kind of he feel like it's kind of his fault thatthey're dead and Jame and Dany Yoon ta date. That's the best part of his hopisode.You know they see some moon flowers, it's reallycute yeah, but it's creepy. They see moonflowers and a creepy forest yeah,but it's cute yeah cute bettwisted yeah. I mean like howyou supposed to like have a good time around there. You know you'R right. They also sleep together, like yes, Danan Jamie, we're classing. If that doesn'ttranslate like, if you can't hear that that's as Clo oh yeah, there's also scars on Jamie's back, Idon't know if they ever answered that they don't okay, okay iw! I didn't wantto like, like when she wakes up. She noticesthese scars on Jamie's back, maybe it's like it like Burns, I'm not really sureit was dark, but when they she wakes up, flor issleepwarking again d. She keeps going to this lake and are you okay? I'm likeconfute? I don't know why. I wrote that, like what habits at the end of thisepisode, Um at the end, so Danny keeps checking in on flora, but one one ofthe Times that Danny walks into check...

...on flora. She sees her confrontingRebecca Rebecca's ghost she sees the go and it ends with Myles nocking. Her outgot it okay, okay, okay, that's! Why was like they're all starting to seeghosts? Okay, I I kind of love how Jamie Calls Dannypoppins like Mary, it's so cute cute, Oh and when Danny mock Jamie's accenther, like British accent, that's kind of calk me accent, that's what we souwhen we try to cofy the love island cast. Oh, I know Iknow the one thing that bothers me, though, is that, oh, I can't say it yet I'll say itlater about the accent get there. I also think US watchinglove. Island UK has helped prepare us for Peter's accent- true peters, Irish, something like that Scuptish, I'm so sorry or Irish and Scottish fans.I cannot distinguish between your accents, but I can understand you ICAIN.I pen understand that's all that matters and if you tweet, I can read ittoo yeah. Have you seen this tree sinc like okay, yeah? Okay, as we go on these timelinesget more and more jumbled together, because people are having breakdowns soI'll. Try to make that I'll. Try to explain this the best way I can sodenny wakes up and she's tied of and Peter's Ghost comes in, and he is calling the shotsand controlling the kids and he wants to make it so danny can dream hop, orso he says, and while he's trying to control these kids, this knocking sound starts happening and Peter Getslost in a memory. So the memory is his mother coming tovisit him and asking for money, but he doesn't have any. We also find out thathis father was sexually abusive to not only Peter but Peter's friends, and sohe holds out with him and holds thatmemory with him and e. He thinks that he stuck in Hell because of this memory,so we also at this point, get a flashback from Rebecca. So in thisflashback, it's the day after Peter Supposedly Leaves Rebecca thinks thatPeter ran away without her, but he didn't. He was killed and Jamie tellsher that she should really consider taking Peter Spot at Henry's firm to finally become a barrister, but Peter Visits Rebecca and tries toexplain what happened and ends up telling her that he died and we findout that Peter cannot leave block blithe, but he figured out that he cango into people's bodies and possess them and they decide to share a body andthey think that they're going to go into it as equal. So they can betogether forever, but Peter kind of takes over Rebecca's body and makes herkill herself in the lake and flora is the one who finds the body and Jamiefinds flora watching it and picks her up and carries her in. So nowthat we're out of that flashback, we're back in one thousand nine hundredand eighty seven Danny is still tied up. Peter comes back into reality and hekeeps possessing miles because at this point the kids don'tthink it's right and thee they're trying to help Danny, but Petermanipulates them, and we find out that overtime. Everyone who dies at blyfades into faceless ghosts, which is really sad because you forgetwho you are, which is just awful. I couldn't imagine that being youreternity, I know, but yeah Peter and Rebecca both askflora miles if they could be in their bodies forever and possess them, andbecause you have to be accepted into their bodies to possess someone forthat long. You can like kind of like go in, but then you like yeah, you cannever truly be in there. So Peter and Rebecca possess for and milesis bodiesforever, or at least Peter Thinks. Oh one thing, sorry when they lay go to possess them, theyhave to say these kind of like words of acceptance, sortof like not that they have to, but to make it like cool. I guess they hade to say it's you! It's me it'sus when they like right before they touch each other. Yes, like they're, like accepting it it'll makesense in the next epises yeah, so...

...yeah. So then Myles lhpeter kind of forces Hannahgross to to accept the fact that she's, a ghost and she finally realizes thatshe's actually dead. But then we find out that flora was only pretending tolet Rebecca in and they both ban together to try to save Danny. So Rebecca is like you guys need to getout of here. It's too late for miles UNSO, they start running, and unfortunately, the Lady of the lakeattacked Danny she just they were really just like inthe middle of her path and she grabbed her yeah. One thing that really sucksis like imagine being stuck with Peter for eternity. He sucks one thing about like okay,yeah, I've talked so much trash on Peter, but this episode, like made mecry when I found out like when we found out about his past. Oh yeah, that was like it like gave hima Littl, ef humanity, but at the same time it's like that doesn't doesn'tcondone killing people or or like his how creepy he is or controlling he isyeah. But I do. I do feel for the childhoodversion of himself yeah. I'm sure that messed him up pretty bad but yeah. Ithink episode a is super cool and I'm happy. I get to be the one to talkabout it, I'm so glad that you get to talk about it, because I thought it wasboring what I thought it was super cool. Basically, we learn about the historyof blind manner and the Lady of the lake. So there were these two sisters,Viola and PREDITA. Predina is the name of the dog in a hundred one Dalmatians.That's why I was like Oh Preditan, Pongo anyway, not important sorry. So, basically, their father died andthey needed to find a way to financially support themselves, becausewomen didn't really have that power. I guess it was probably like late eighteen hundred, maybe Itas likeseventeen or eighteen hundreds, yeah yeah, I'm not really sure so they kind of they didn't like theway the system was set up, which I don't blame them. So they like foundthis guy named Arthur and they set predita up with him at first, but thenby all like walk through the door and kind of takes over viwas like verycontrolling and in charge. So, but when she married Arthur, she made sure notto say that she would obey her husband in the vows she like, let it go as likea casual oops. I forgot, but like specifically didn't say it because thenGod doesn't have at over her. You know wo the past one on God. So one thing that she does is she walks she sleeps and she wakes up. It's repeated over and over again. Shelike, I don't know if she has like trouble sleeping, but she always walkssleeps and wakes up and eventually she has a baby and whenshe has the baby girl, she says it's you. It's me it's US and for baby girlsname is Isabel. We got I you it's Mespellt, exactly like my it's so cute, but then all of a sudden by all startscoughing blood don' and they have that scary crow. Dr Mask he hate those it's so creepy, but she'ssick with the lung. I don't know what that means. It's not the plague, butit's. The long is for some reason, I'm thinking of like the black lung isthatything. I don't know the one I think doctors out there want to. Letus know with the Lungio aual lung, no one with the PhD listening to US talk.Maybe a history: Major, Oh yeah, his ancient pandemics Huh anyway I' having a good time. Thisepisode anyway, we're just going to keep going. She has to be isolated, sound, familiar,there's, also leeches and blood butting. Don't do that. Basically, it seems likeshe's going to die, so they have the priests or someone come in and she willnot repeat the last right so she's like I'm not going to die and she lives for five years longerthan she was supposed to like she's supposed to live for a few months, butshe lives for five years and at one point she gis, really jealous of purtyand Arthur and just keeps wandering the halls and is very abusive to her sister.She always slaps her, and then she takes all of the jewelsand all F her dresses and put tsome in a trunk to give to her daughter whenshe's of age and tells Arthur that he can only use the keys to open it or canonly give the keys to their daughter.

We also find out that perty kills Viola.She is like saying it that she did it out of mercy, but basically she did itbecause she had had enough of her abusing her of her just like living, I yues so perty, Marys, Arthur and once all ofthe jewels and everything that her sister had kept away, because theManeris in financial ruin, because out of grief, Arthur kind of ran everythinginto the ground. So she takes the keys and opens ha chest and, as she reachesout or rec she's out to grab address these. This is the only part thatscared me like, because I wasn't expecting it like. The only part- and Ijump scares are stupid, like that's just like Cobou, but anyway e likethese. These like gross hands, reach out from the dress and like grab herand choke her and instantly kill her, which is like okay, so she's, just like dead in the attic,and then we flash back at the night that Vilo is killed and we find thatright after pretty killed her she's locked in this room with no open doorsor windows and all of her jewels and all her dresses are in there. So she'sactually inside of the chest and all she does for years, while she'sin this one room is she sleeps she wakes up, and she walks around justdoes that she doesn't. She has no idea for how long, but then, all of a sudden,she feels this chest start to move, and she thinks that Isboe and Arthur arelike, because they've decided to leave because of all the grief that's comefrom living there. She think that they're taking the chestwith them, so what they're actually doing is theyre,throwing the chest in the lake and terrible basically throwing her into the lake. Do theydon't know that she's in there, but like they just like? Have all this these bad memories associated with theyjust don't want it and what she would do is she would every night she would sleep in the lake. She would wake up,come out of lake and then walk around and walk to her bed where she died, andthen she would walk back, but basically every single time that she did this.She would forget more and more sheod forget her story. She forget her namelike the dolls rerget their names and she would eventually her face, wouldwash away because there's no remembrance of like she doesn'tremember herself and that's how we get the Lagy of the lake there's just liketwo things. I'd like to add to that. That's: Okay, M! No tumit, basically like when she's walkingthrough through the house every time that she like every time that she walksthrough the house anyone who's in her path. She kills the saddest one of all,though, that this is what I want. That's why I wanted to bring it up. Isthe child that she thought was hers? She just killed. Tha Kid dragged itinto the lake and made me cry yeah. Basically, she just like she's going tothis room, so she can hold her child again. Hold Isabel. Please don't kill me, but like that's the only thing shecould remember, she was like going there to get a child. She didn'tremember what child. So, when the someone moved into this house- andthere was a child sitting on the bed, she was like. Oh that's, the child.I've been wanting, so she just she didn't like choke them. Like she chokeseverybody else. She just grabs them, holds them and then carried him intothe lake with her yeah and then so it was like less painful or like less liketraumatic, but I feel died though. It's really sad thinking about the fact thatthe child is also faceless. My last comment: This is just the generalcolmern about the show. Do you think the writers have like a choking Kanke? Because that's, however n does I mean everyone like yeah like maybe but like? How else was she going to kill Viola?And that's where I as started? I mean true like to make it look like shedidn't, kill her. You know they don't have fingerprinting, we whatwait Wai wait. This brings up another question because of because most ofthese people die like through, like choking like how does a ghost choke ahuman being if they can't like touch them because, like you couldlike in this reality at this, like universe, um like people's hands, likea ghost hand, will go through the humans hand right. I'm thinking like Idon't know, but I'm thinking because she's like head ghosts, you know like she is had ghost. She islike everything revolves around her like she can touch peope.

Okay, no, you know what I mean in thenect like we'll get there, but like yeah, it's everything revolves around herhead ghost. I love that boss, ghost, I don't know Boscow leader of the ghost, the ghost president. President Ghost. That's that's what I don't know. Idon't know that's my only explanation because I didn't think about that. Butyou're right, no one else can like touch people without possessing them,but she can like drag bodies yeah with ease yeah. She did. She Must BeHittin the gym she can pick someone et sleeps walks,hits the gym gg Jim time to nap and then like okay, should we move on to the Yese o last episode, so Hanna Grows essentially has to helpeveryone. She really needs to save the day here and maybe she'll be able toescape purgatory if she does and go to heaven, because Hana grows belows inheaven, so she tries to stop the Lady of the lake who is just dragging Dannyby Oh, my God. We I also had I have this question. How does Hanna holdthings if she's dead, because we do see Hanna holding mugs and wine bottles and,like occasionally plates in a tea kettle? How Doe she hold things? No oneelse can the physic the physics of it all doesn't make sense, so she can holda Mug but she's like alive enough, like physically in this world, on the Earthto hold a Mug, but she can't drink out of the monk. Maybe it's because shewasn't killed by the ghosts, the Lavye Lake Yeah. But why can she hold things?And she I don't know I don't know I don't know it doesn't make any sense,maybe because she, no that wouldn't make. I don't know, I'm not sure youjust because like Hannah's dea she's, notreally connectas to lady Belate, because myles is the one who milesPeter is the one who kills her msoi ont yeah it. Someone needs to clarify this. For us,you Halpgthis is what's going to haunt us, okay, so back to it, she tries to stop the Lady of the lakewho's just dragging Danny by the throat and flora is out there too she'sbegging the ghost to stop, and the ghost then thinks that flora is this child that she needs to grab Akaylike her daughter, Isabel and, and then she so she grabs flora and is off to go,kill her and then Henry comes flying onto theproperty. Does a hockey stop in his car he's Druk driving and he starts runningafter flora? This is when I start to have respect for Henry, and so lady of the Lake Viola comes up to Henry and essentially like we think, kills himwell find it she like reaches just like reaches out and like crushes his neck.That's what it sounds like yeah. We don't know how he could survive this so because I forgot to mention that in theprocess of grabbing flora, viola drop, Danny and Shewas. Just laying on thefloor like trying to catch her breath, but now that she's she's feeling bettershe runs after everyone and at the same time owing and Jamie Com, because theyhad a weird feeling and Owon does CPR on Henry andessentially brings him back to life. We also have to stand Owen. I think Ohyeah Owens, wonderful, we love Owen, but then Rebecca occupies flora's body.So when the Lady of the lake takes her into the Lake Rebecca will feel her pain instead offlora. I thought sorry yeah. That made me cry. I know it like, because whenPeter Killed Her, he jumped out of her body as soon asshe was deep enough to like drown yeah. So she felt all the pain, but she like didn't make forgo, wouldn't makeforogothou tha exactly and that just shows how much better of a personRebecca is than Peter. But then Danny comes running to therescue and allows viola to take her body by saying the phrase that it'slike you. It's me it's ulstogether...

...forever. Whatever I togeter F dinneon those I was seing.This secureone Si know you are oyas. So sorry, this is a very serious moment so danny by allowing Viola to occupyher body. It broke the spell and everyone was released into theafterlife because there's also magic yeah. This is why she's the head ghost yeah, so she broke the spell like beauty in thebeasts essentially, but Hannah also went to the after life just justleaving that in there, because, like none of the like humanswho are alive, know that she's dead and that she's been a ghost. But now denny is essentially waiting forvital to completely take over her body, which doesn't happen for a while, butwe'll get to that and Henry decides to take the kids to America and Danny andJamie decided to go on and adventure. They spent some time in America andthey also open up a flower shop, and I know it's so adorable and we jump afew years later. Five to be specific Owen has opened hisown restaurant. He keeps a picture of Hando grossh on his wall, which isreally cute Henry sover. Now Flora has a boyfriend.The kids are seventeen. I don't understand if onlyfive years have passed, how flora could possor more time passes by the timethat they okay like get there, but the one thing I that happens right then, is that milesin flora. Don't remember a single thing that happened: Yeah they've justcompletely forgotten it, which is insane because you think something astraumatic is that would last with you for your entire life. I think Um theway that the brain handles trauma differs from like certain people, likesome people, can't some people com, part mentalize, so much and like puttheir trauma like all the way to the back of their brain, so that they likecan't really remember many details, because it's like it's your brains,it's your body's way of like trying to survive and like heal itself. I read that in my Syclast, my wifesideclass I took in college, but like they both completely forget anything orevolving around these ghosts. Maybe it also has to do with the spell beingbroken. Okay, sure. The thing is that we can like try to like rationalize this and like try tolike debunk it, but at the same time it's like a TV show so like I guess,they're playing by their own rules of reality. Yeah. I guess which is annoying because,like I want these questions to be answered, but Flora has a boyfriend ho' seventeen inlove. They don't remember anything about bly, but Danny starts seeing the Lady of the lake in reflections andshe's like Oh, no, my time has come, and so Danny left Janie because, like she didn't want to hurt her and ohat some point like they get engaged and form a civil union which is great theyend up. They both go back to bly at different times. Danny goes and thenJamie follows and Danny is essentially dead and Jamie jumps in the lake and says the phrase to let Danny consumeher. You know the together forever that one, but Danny would never hurt someonebecause she's too good of a person and she would never consume someone'sbody or kill. So Jamie goes throughout the rest ofher life. kind of thinking that perhaps Danny and her have become one, but shenever did that and Danny ends up slipping away untilshe doesn't remember anything at all and all her features get erased andthen be exit out of the story and we're back at the dinner rehearsal. This couple is getting married and itturns out that the woman getting married is flora and the older womantelling the story is Jamie and Henry is an old man and o one's there, and so ismiles, and it's a happy ending, and...

I was so so happy. I I was about to crytwo things. The bride midtl name is for. I don't know why they change theirnames, thought that was interesting. I don'tknow if mylesis name is different or if it's this middle name now, but I thought that was like hmm. Whythey do that? Also, she jamie leaves the hotel roomdoor open to let Danny in just in case, but like I getit when you're at home, keep your bedroom door open whatever, but a hotelroom door someone's going to come in, rob you and kill you. Oh definitely orworse, why does she have so much faith inhumanity, especially with what she's witnessed? I don't know. I don't know so. We've come to the end here. FinallyYeah, I feel bad for you in the future having to edit this but yeah I mean. Ithink we like answered like a lot of our questions within this, but a lot isleft unanswered. So if anyone has any ideas or show creators, let us know I I did enjoy it. I enjoyed it for Jamieand Danny. I like felt a little like you're trying to be a little too hard,but when I just typed it up, it's supposed to be a drama series, so maybeit's like not supposed to be a horror seriestechnically, so I guess like my final thoughts or that like yeah, I went into this thinkingthat the show would be a horror series but, like I said before, it turned outto be so much more. I I hate how that arroved for not to be kind of a story aboutlove and yeah and humanity, and I've really enjoyed this show. It was likesome of the best TV I've seen in a while. I love the representation I loved justeverything about it, but yeah like I like you said there areso many questions that are unanswered. I really liked the relationships thatthey formed, not like Petern Breccas but like alwen andHannah and Jamie and Danny. I thought those are really really noi. They mademe happy, yeah and also Henry and the mom they did seem to like really loveeach other, like it sucks how that all turned out, but you know yeah, I guess we're back onTrak for nonthemed ones. Next week said, but this is episode. Twenty technicallylike twelve, so you've got four more to go yeah, so I think it'll fall somewherearound the time of the last one will be Christmas names, yeah Christma, so that should be fun. Hopefullythere's like Christmas series or something- or maybe we can just do amovie that week but we'll see because netflix alwayscomes out with stuff- is always a Christmas, something I hope we get likea cheesy hallmark Christmas series, thatd be so good likeyo. So, Oh one more thing: lastweek I was in quarantine sort of so I couldn't record the winners of theepisode guessing N. I totally forgot t suppost about it. It's fine! There were so many thank youto everyone who guess we had Clarissa and Georgia and Alley and those ware the first three, and I Ithink at least to at least also like way to go. Everybody we haven't had aguess in, like two weeks socorrect one at least there yeahcorrect one. They were a little like. I don't knowhow lik they were hearded to guess. So that's fine, but if you want to win andget a shot out at the beginning of the episode when I'm not in quarantine andhave on my equipment, make sure to follow us want instagramment, how we never podcast and on facebook at how we never seen thisbefore and on twitter and how have we never because we post our little clues onthere and you can guess and stuff. So thanksfor listening, this was spoopy. I hope you enjoyd your spooctober and now it's Christmas and now wels Gor Times you've offended its yourTiian excuseme. You me offended the Thanksgiving community. All right. Wegot ta end this now before they tack me all right, well, Seyou, next week, byeby...

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