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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 2, Episode 8 · 1 year ago

The Haunting of Bly Manor: "It's You, It's Me, It's Us"

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In Season 2 Episode 8, Isabel and Lauren discuss The Haunting of Bly Manor.

Join us as we discuss how we have so many unanswered logistical questions, we have no choice but to stan Jamie and Dani, and what it takes to be Head Ghost.

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Hi Everyone, welcome back to how have we never seen this before? This week we discussed the haunting of blind manner. Join us in our Halloween episode as we discuss how we have so many unanswered logistical questions, how we have no choice but to stand Jamie and Danny and what it takes to be head ghost. This is a podcast where two best friends talk about movies they've never seen before. I'm Isabelle and I'm Lauren, and this is how have we never seen this before? The winner of this week's guests the movie contest is one of my good friends aiden. Congratulations, aiden, and if you want to be given a shadow at the beginning of one of our episodes, make sure to follow us on Instagram at how have we never podcast and check out our instagram story every week. Happy Hallowe Spooky, heavy, belated Halloween. This will definitely come out on Monday. It's a twenty nine right now, so happy Christmas season. We wanted to do something spooky, spoopy, fur spooby for Halloween, but it just doesn't fall on the timeline, considering we didn't think of about it until last week. got a show not even last week. Yeah, I was like Monday, but it should be fun. We're in the Halloween spirit. If you want to be in the Halloween Spirit for two more days, yeah, you can join us. You should join us. Yeah, it says has to end on Halloween. Yeah, it's like Halloween starts in like July, right, yeah, for ever, Christmas gets a long time. Why Not Extend Halloween a few days? Yeah, I think it's fine all, but all the Thanksgiving stance are coming for us. Are there any like real like? The people like like. I get the food, but the people like really like Thanksgiving them. Some people do be surprised. All right, well, I apologize for budding into your season. I apologized to the Thanksgiving community. But, as you can tell from the title, we watch the haunting of bly manner this this day. Didn't watch it this week. We like watch it today. Hey, speak for yourself. I started Monday night. Oh, I did start yesterday, so like within the last three four days we did. Like. Okay, so basically this show is the it's not the second season, but it's the second steeries of like the first season was like haunting of Hill Hunt. I don't know I'd ever watched it, but it's something haunting on the hill or I don't know. It's fine, but like a quick, quick gist of the series. It's basically a ghost story, which is kind of cool. The whole series is US learning about the ghost story. If we want to get into that, I guess we can start with the wing grive win grave wind grab, I think it's grave wind graph, the wind grave family. First we have flora and miles, who are both children. Their parents died two years before the story really begins. And Flora, she can see ghosts or something like usually something you don't really know. She does a lot of staring off into the distance. Yeah, people's shoulders, but she is very sweet. Always does what she's told pretty much, and you could tell throughout the show that she's trying to protect her oh pair, we'll get into that. She tries to protect everyone, I'd like. Yeah. So then we have miles. He is kind of the opposite pretty much. He was super sweet but then he started developing behavioral issues after his parents died, and so he gets kicked out of his boarding school and he's very creepy to the women in the show, very rude, and he's like ten floors, like eight. So they're both very young. Yeah, and then Henry's their uncle. He's technically in charge of he's like their legal guardian. He's an alcoholic. He had he has none of them. I've really been right since Henry Hen no miles floor's parents side. Their father was Henry's brother. Their parents aren't really like important characters, you don't. They like coming in one episode, but...

...that's about it. But then there's also Danny, who is there repair. She's an American living in London and she's a she was a teacher before and I guess, like another thing, she's secretly gay. Yeah, it's kind of a big part of her character. We forgot about that. Her I won't like saying much, but like her relationship. Like I was almost crying at the end. Oh, I was so invested in emotional many tears were shed watching the show. Yeah, so then you have Owen. He is the cook of blind manner and he takes care of his mother with dementia until her passing and he has a thing for this woman named Hannah Gross. I will probably refer to her as Mrs Gross. I don't know why, but my whole like notes document she's called Mrs Gross and not Hannah. So Hannah Gross. She is the housekeeper. She actually lives at blind manner, unlike Owen, and she is very religious and she never eats or drinks throughout the show. MMM, which kind of leads you to suspect some things. I like, honestly, I thought they were gonna like tying and eating disorder something, but like they like called like like I didn't know. I didn't know anything, like I don't know where they were going to go that. But then like it makes sense towards the end, but like, a lot of things don't make sense and I have questions. Will get there, but anyway. So another main ish side character is Jamie the gardener. She is a gardener, like I don't know. I don't want to give like a Toun away. Yeah, I feel like she's a gardener. You'll learn more about her later. And then there's also Peter Quint and Rebecca Jessel. So Rebecca Jessel was the former opair and she died, is suspected suicide. And Peter Quint was Henry's like assistant sort of, and he was also like a driver. He'd like pick things up and like do errands for them, but he was also messing around, though, pair messing around something about Peter, like, okay, I really do hate him, but also at the same time, like there are some scenes where he melted my heart and I like I hate him, but also at the same time, like I still pity him. I have a look of confusion on my face. That's I'm just like what, maybe it's because he's hot. We epcopy it. Damn, he's not just your type. Not Another James Marsden situation. Did you have anyone else? Like? There's not really anyone else. Like there's people you meet later, but they're not like they're important to the store be don't know about them right now. So it's fine. Yeah, so I guess we'll get started with the first episode. Yes, so episode one starts with a rehearsal dinner for a wedding and some British lady starts telling a scary story to everyone and the this part takes place in like two thousand I looked it up, like two thousand and seven, they say it. Oh, I don't remember. Look it up like show it flashed across the screen. Oh, okay, so it takes place two thousand and seven. And then when she starts telling the story, we go back in time to one thousand nine hundred and eighty seven in London. So a girl, Danny, is being interviewed for an opair position by flora and miles is uncle Henry. She ends up getting the job because no one wants it. The previous old pair died and the children's parents are dead and Dan he arrives at the Manor, she meets the cook, Owen, the children, miles, flora, the housekeeper, Mrs Gross, and then she keeps seeing this weird figure in forbidden places, which is weird, but the kids are also acting strange, like flora is very adamant that Danny doesn't leave her room at night, but Danny kind of ignores her and she gets up. She ends up being locked in a covered by flora and miles and is let out a few hours later. Are you okay day like there's okay, I didn't. I forgot how much happened in the first episode. I was like what? Yeah, Um, you were just giving me a look. I was like did I am I legue off? No, no, I was like, I like have this all written down. I'm like, how did all of this happen? Like these episodes are an hour long. I guess that's why, because the shows we normally watch or thirty minutes each. So these have a ton more. Yeah, so much happens. Yeah, but Um, okay. She ends up getting locked in a cover by flora miles and is let out later, and while she...

...was in there she kept seeing a weird figure in the mirror and I'm sorry, but that wasn't really scary at all, like this is not a scary show. No, it wasn't, and that's what bothered me, because I thought the haunting of whatever the other one was like supposed to be super scary, and I was like, baby, it's because I'm watching in the daytime and I like I have my lights on, but at the same time I don't think I would have been scared at night. I'm not typically like a horror movie person, because they don't scare me and I think they're a little dumb. Yeah, I mean, like neither of us are easily freaked out by by that kind of stuff anyway. So I don't know if someone out there actually found this scary. Maybe like a child would find this scary, but we did not. Um, there's also like little like subtle hints in each of the episodes like kind of like suggesting like what might be going on. Even in this one, like miles is a little creepy. He like watches, he like almost sees Danny get undressed. ME, like that's a little weird. Oh, so pervy. He's so pervy, but there's like a reason, not a good like like don't do that. But like anyway, it's not miles like fault really, because, yeah, we'll get into it. Yeah, and like miles also gives Danny this butterfly clip that belonged to the previous opair and floor when floors in the bath. She gets upset with her for having it in her hair and then like kind of looks to the side, like looks behind Danny. She does that a lot and you're like HMM, like why is she doing that? But they're I don't know. I think that was kind of it. The one that like it was just like Super Cliche, at least this episode, like of course she's going to leave her room because flora told her not to. I know this episode made me reluctant to watch the rest because I was like Oh, like, if this is what it's going to be like some hogy HARF like series. I don't want to watch it, but it turned out to be so much more. Oh. Also, I forgot to mention that the Danny is played by the girl who does I think, love and you. Oh, I don't know that. Oh, you know watcha well, I think I watched the first season, but it's second season. She's only the second season. But yeah, I think it's her. Sure, the character's name in you is love. Okay, wait, do you know who else? I think I think the Um, the woman narrating. And Oh, yeah, she's she's from twilight. Oh, I was gonna say she's I think she's a mom and spy kids. Oh, you're right, I think she's also, she the mom in twilight to I don't know, I might be way off on that. I don't remember. I try to block that out of my memory. We only watch it like four months ago. Yeah, there's also like muddy footprints all over the floor and you're like what, like at the end of the episode when she's walk in the closet, you're like, why are there mundy footprints in the floors? But yeah, cool, Nice, yeah, we did it. Wow. So episode two we find out that these muddy footprints actually happen a few times a year and there are one of the things about floors that she has all these dolls. She has a dollhouse that looks exactly like the manner and she has all these dolls and miles like stole one of them and like threw down the trash shoot and there's just like she's scared of the seller, as any little girl would be. But one thing that she does say about the dolls, which is important to remember, is that when Danny asked her, like what, what's the dolls name, she said the doll doesn't remember her name, which I did even think about till right now because like now that I've seen the show, like I get it, but like I didn't understand it then. Yeah, I didn't even catch that. I don't think I was paytent. We also like go back at time and most of this episode. So also during this episode, this one's not as like weird with the jumping back and forth. We just like know that six months ago miles was at boarding school. So there's just like a whole section on boarding school. Basically you're like learning about him getting kicked out of boarding school and why he's there. There's one thing that he mentions, like he got in a fight. He also like jumped out of a tree and he mentions to his friend and to the chaplain of the school that he was trying to find the right key. And it's like like what is like a key? Like why would jumping out of a tree find you a key? Like you're thinking physical key. It's not a physical key, but anyway, that's like kind of like gives you a little like Oh, maybe something's wrong with miles. I was think he was possessed and I like wasn't that wrong? Yeah, but we find out that the reason why he was trying to get expelled was because flora sent him a note to come home.

There's that, but Oh, I guess. I guess that is it, because he couldn't really okay, yeah, gotta got a guy. Yeah, flora sat in a letter that said to come home and there's like three people in the in the drawing that she sent. So he's like wow, like what is it? Basically, that's always a boarding school and they're back at home and there's this one part of the manner that they're not supposed to go in, like the old wing and they're playing hide and seek and for goes into the old wing. Whatever I just said was wrong, so I cut it out and Lauren's going to explain what actually have another episode. Okay, so they're playing hide and go seek because they got all their chores done after locking her in the closet, and while they're hiding, Danny walks into a forbidden section and she hears a music box playing. She goes into the room. She also sees a polaroid with a man and a woman on it who looked to be in love. And while she's looking, all of the sudden miles comes up behind her and starts choking her and she tells him to she tells him to ease up, and then he eventually does and he wants to continue playing, so he starts running away, but Danny starts chasing after him and when she loses sight of him a she all of the sudden sees the man in the polaroid through the window. So she grabs a weapon and runs outside, but is distracted by miles fainting, so she sprints back inside and miles comes to and sees the same thing that Danny saw. Cool, I don't know. How I got that all wrong, that you're not going to hear that, so it's fine. We also found out that the glasses that Danny has, these glasses, they're broken. We don't know why she hasn't but we find out that the glasses are of the person that she keeps seeing in the mirror. So there's something, there's some part of her past that's want to take her, which rates it. But you know, I was just really confused as to why any rational adult would suggest to play hide and go seek and a giant creepy house. You're basically asking to be murdered. I mean I think she was like, they're not going to go in that creepy room. All the rooms are creepy. That's true. And Oh, another important thing about this episode is that miles asks the teacher. He goes to a Catholic boarding school, I believe, some sort of religious boarding school, and he asked they're talking about the afterlife and the his teacher tells him that demons have to be invited step. Yeah, demons have to be invited into someone's body to possess them. So let's just keep that in mind for lady. Yeah, I really liked the teacher. I thought he was like Super Nice. He like he allowed, like this isn't relates to the story at all, but like he allowed miles so like question. He was like this is like a safe space, like you can question what's here, and he like welcomes like questions about religion, when I thought was really cool. Because so episode three we immediately find out that the man Danny and miles saw was a man named Peter Quint who embezzled money from the wind graves and worked with Henry and they believe that he flood the country. That's whatever and thinks. And the people at the manner think that he came back because of Rebecca Jessel, the previous Oh pair, because they had a flame. So they call the police and the police come and don't believe them. At least horror movies and horror series paint the police to kind of be more realistic. They're like so, they're always so in competent. They're like, oh, nothing, we can do. Yeah, when I was getting robbed, I had to wait for hours for the police to come. We're all hiding. So yeah, so they think that. Okay. So everyone in blind manner thanks that. Maybe Peter Quint doesn't know that Rebecca is dead, so he keeps coming back for her. So that's kind of on the back of their minds the whole time. And someone this whole time has been calling and hanging up and they assume it's him. So now that everyone's freaked out, they all decide to stay the night and have a giant sleepover. It's just fun, and the next morning Danny wakes up and finds flora by the lake staring at something, and flora kind of freaks out. Then when she's feeling better, they decide to do kind of this story time performance that ends with miles telling...

...a creepy speech and Owen finding out that his mother has died. But in this episode we also get a flashback. It starts with Rebecca Jessel. The previous OPARE interviewing for the job in Henry's office, similar to Danny, and Peter Quint is there this time. That's the difference. She's completely overqualified and Peter seems to notice, but at last she gets the job anyway. So immediately pretty much Peter and Rebecca have a thing. It turns into a romantic affair and they eventually end up being boyfriend and girlfriend. They weirdly hook up in the dead parents wing and try on their furs, which is all kinds of creepy and messed up. Yeah, that was yeah, and Um, Peter is also distracting Rebecca from the kids, which isn't good. Mrs Gross definitely hates their relationship and hates Peter, but she likes Rebecca and wants to protect her. But they take that polaroid in the dead parents weighing, the one that we spoke about an episode two, and Rebecca explains to Peter that she wants to become a barrister and can do that by being an opair and making connections to that instead of sleeping with men who are higher up. Yeah, so that's basically the only reason why she wants to take care of these kids. And then Peter Becomes like grossly possessive and creepy and abusive to Rebecca because of her friendship with Owen the cook, and they're nothing but platonic. so He's just annoying. See. Yeah, that was episode three. Also, Owen and and Mrs Gross seem a little flirty in this episode. It is cute. And also Danny and Jamie seem a little flirty in this episode, which is cute. Oh yeah, but the end of the episode is Danny and Jamie like hold of hands for hot SEC and but after they hold hands, she liked Danny turns around in the creepy guy with a curl of hair in the glasses is right behind her and you're like, oh no, Yep, um a question I had for you. Actually. So this episode talks a lot about keys. Peter explains to miles that everyone has a specific key that opens them up to someone else. What do you think our keys are? Um, well, for me, if you just ask me a question, I will tell you my entire life story. Like I don't say anything until like anybody like cares, you know, like I'll tell you literally everything I can remember, which isn't a lot, because I would awful memory. Because I'll tell you everything. I don't care. It's like our therapy hikes, where we just ask each other questions. Yeah, whenever you go on a hike, as you saw during our mid season break, we just like talk the whole time about like, I mean, like I don't know what else you do, but like we just talked the whole thing about you. I don't know. I feel like mine's just like be nice to me. I don't really know what mine is. Oh, I guess like if you share an experience with me, like all open up to you. Oh, you're empathetic. I guess. I don't know. That's what. Yeah, that's it's like someone's empathetic. They like care by relating. Oh okay, yeah, my last my last comment was this whole thing could have been avoided if these kids had a therapist. You're not wrong. Actually, everyone in the show had a therapist, honestly, but it is the s so, oh, time think their first really like that, like encouraged? I don't know, but anyway. So in this episode we find out about Danny's life before she moved to England, which is like so we learned about Danny's life before moving to England and she had this one best friend growing up her entire life. And they end up getting married and what we see is actually like their engagement party. It's super eights, but his mom like gives her her wedding dress and Danny's getting really overwhelm with the planning because she's actually gay and she doesn't want to be with him like this. And they got dinner and she's like I like can't do this anymore. So they're like they're fighting about it and then they get in the car to leave from this dinner and...

...more fighting and Eddie gets out of the car because they're parked on the side of the road. He gets out of the car because he just frustrated and as he gets out you see the lights of a oncoming truck and then it rams into many dies, which is incredibly traumatic and basically she's being haunted by her ex fiance who got hit by a truck and she feels an incredibly guilty. So yeah, it's terrifying. Also, in the current timeline with the nineteen s in London, they are still worried about pete because they don't really know what's going on, like if he's really there. There's this really strange part where miles like slams his hand down on the tables like I want to drink, because they're like joking about giving kids like like a glass of wine, like it's in like other countries, like that's totally normal, like here or like Italian families do that sometimes. But like he likes like he's like an old man. He's like give me my drink and like runs away, which is like pretty weird. Also, you see floors. DOLLHOUSE open by itself and like you get a glimpse inside and it looks like everyone is in certain parts or spots in the house and it's actually where they currently are, which is something to think about. But Oh, and Peter's like doll is in miles is room, like standing over him. So hmmmm. Anyway, they also have a camp fire outside at the like once the kids go to bed, and they're just like saying names of like kids or kids saying the names of people who have passed. Like apparently bonfires comes from like old bones or something like throwing bones on it. I don't know. I don't know the history of a bonfire. I didn't really listen to that part, but they're all saying different people's names. But at one point Danny and Jamie leave and then they started to make out, but then she sees Eddie and then she pulls away and his like a burn. And Oh, and also tells Mrs Gross that they should move to Paris just cute. And Flora starts to see the dolls move and in her doll house back in the house and this Lake Lady that she's talked about a lot, which we haven't mentioned at all. I don't know why. I guess we forgot, but there's this like lady of the lake, and the Lady of the lake is like moving through the house. So both miles and floor can see the Lady of the lake and we don't know why. And that's it. Oh, they're checking it because Danny's like moving through the house because if she saw that guy she kind of freaked down. Is like drinking. Yeah, and so they like distract her to protect her from the Lady of Lake. Yeah. Oh, and it also ends with Danny symbolically burning the glasses. Yeah, is that? That's kind of like the last we see of that guy, right. Yeah, I think like her burning those glasses was symbolic of her letting go of him, yeah, and arting a new chapter. Yeah, and she's like won't be guilty, feel guilty about it because, like it's not her fault, it's just like something that happened. HMM. Yeah, I also think that we have absolutely no choice but to stand jamie absolutely. First of all, consent, Queen Canna Wall great sense of humor. Third of all, she's a Badass groundskeeper. We don't see a lot of women groundskeeper Zoi. She just loves some plants, you know. Yeah, she's super cool. I Love Jamie. I think she's great. She's my easily my favorite character. Yeah, hundred percent. Okay, Oh, this one might be the shortest one. Episode Five. I don't have a lot of notes for episode right. Yeah, episode five. Ohen and Mrs Gross are talking and he asked her to go to Paris now that there's nothing stopping him. But is there something stopping her? Oh, this episode like confuse me so much. Okay, well, let's see if maybe I can, if we put our heads together, we can like figure out the correct story. But so miles is basically being reckless again. He starts smoking, which, hmm, maybe he picked that up from Peter Quint who also smokes. He starts smoking, he's harassing Jamie, being creepy to her, and we also find out that Mrs Gross's husband perhaps cheated on her or left her. I don't know exactly...

...what it was, but he he did something to her that hurt her. And Yeah, I think he cheated on her. At least that's what like from context. Like cheated on her and then maybe left her. Yeah, something like that, something mean, and so that's why she lives in the manner. And so we basically go into a flashback of Owen and Mrs Gross's relationship. We also get to meet Mr and Mrs Wingrave for the first time. They're not as important, though. In this flashback we see Peter being annoying. I don't know when that was, but it's in my notes. He's always annoying, though. And Hannah Catches Peter trying to steal Mrs Wing Graves Jewelry and she stops him. He threatens her and she says that this is her home. You'll leave long before I do. Could that be foreshadowing perhaps? I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Also, not a lot, but like he'll threatened to take away her job. Yeah, he threatens a lot of people. He's not a good guy. But Peter Basically says that he wants to run away to America with Rebecca with the wing graves money. He says that to Rebecca but he leaves out the wind groves money part. So she doesn't really know what's going on and we actually find out that Peter is he did not run away, he actually died, so that this kind of back ends with the night that he died. He was trying to escape to America. He grabs Mrs Wing Graves Jewelry and starts trying to leave, but he gets in the path of the Lady of the lake and she chokes him and at first he didn't realize he was dead and then he weirdly possessed miles. Yeah, and so the episode goes back into right before Danny arrives, that sort of timeline, and it ends with miles, miles, or maybe Peter, possessing miles, wink wink, pushing Mrs Gross into a well and killing her. So now she's a ghost. She can't go to Paris with Owen because she's dead, and she's also kind of an unreliable narrator. A lot of her memories are fake. Well, her memories are real, but she can manipulate them. Basically, when you're dead in this show you can. You always go back to certain memories in your life, usually happy ones, and they happen at random times. So she keeps jumping back and forth between memories while trying to stay in the present, and she forgets who she is. She doesn't know that she's dead and she doesn't really understand what's happening to her. Yeah, it's like, I don't know. I found it very I get that it is supposed to be confusing. Like she spaces out a lot and I don't know if she's like jumping in time, because she seems to like know what's going to happen. Like, I mean I there's I guess that she's going to memories. I there are thirt. The each person that dies has a certain thing that kind of triggers them. Like for Peter, it's the knocking on the door triggers his memory, but it's never like real knocking. Yeah, and then Hannah's is that crack in the wall? Yeah, there's, because there was a crack at the bottom of the well. Yeah, but the crack isn't real in like when she sees it in the present time. That's what I don't get. I guess it. Maybe it's like a warning for like when they're gonna yeah, it kind of reminds me of like you hear, like when people have seizures, they'll like taste something or like there's a certain taste in them out that there smell something and that means they're going to have a seizure. It doesn't always happen, but like sometimes for some people that can happen. This kind of reminded me of, like you know how people always say, like right before you die, your life flashes before your eyes, and so these people are dead, but they're not in the afterlife. So their life keep their their lives, grammatically in Cray, keeps flashing before their eyes. They're also definitely in purgatory. They mentioned it a ton of times. Yeah, because they're never there. Like it seems like they're never getting out. Yeah, there's some sort of like the House has some sort of hold on them, but we'll find out why later. Yeah, so I think personally that Hannah gross in Paris would be a better show than emily in Paris. I said what I said. You're probably right. I'm right. I do like Rebecca Josel's clothes in this one. I don't know how, like Danny's clothes are heavy s like I kind of like all the but I do like it. Yeah, I think it's because he he's is making a comeback right now. Yeah, that's true, but anyway, moving on, we got a...

...lot to go through and we're pretty foreign already, but we had a lot of confusion, so cut that out. So much confused. So in episode six we kind of learn about Uncle Henry Story. Basically he lives at the office and you see him like he sees ghosts as well. I don't really know if they're ghosts or if it's just like a projection of himself, because sometimes his ghost looks like himself and sometimes I thought it was his brother. He is his own demon, I think. Okay, okay, that's where I was going. Yeah, he definitely seemed like his own demon. Basically, we flashback in time too. I guess this one jumps around a lot. I'M gonna go back in time seeing them giving birth to flora, but there's just like weird like thing going on between the MOM and Henry and you're like, did he sleep with her? Is Flora his spoiler alert. Yes, it's pretty obvious. We see that when we this like the past jumps forward in time like six is years to flora sixth birthday and we see that Henry is actually the person who bought Flora this doll house that looks exactly like the manner and he shows it to the mother and then like kind of touch pinkies for a second and when he steps away, her actual husband, his brother, confronts her and is like I it's taken me six years to do the math, but flora was a really early baby, but she was big if she was early. So Body Shame Flora here. It's just child development. But basically figures it out and is like do you love him? And she's like yes, but there's more than that, and Blah Blah, blah, Blah Blah. And that's why they go to India because they're, quote unquote, really like living their honeymoon. But I feel like their death was on purpose. They don't mention that, but I feel like it was. That question never answered. I really wish it was. So I'll I'll leave you to decide that. But Anyway, back to the present. So we see in the present floor wakes up in the woods again and Rebecca's ghosts is like around. So you're kind of thing always can rebecca like jump in and out of Flora's body? There's also this thing where we see this child with no face in floora's room. Well, that was a flat. Want to floor has flashbacks. Yeah, so it's like floor is now like jumping back in time with memories and our your like is floora actually dead, but it's actually something else. It's like when Rebecca touches her, she jumps in time because she's not herself, because Rebecca's sort of in control. So everyone in the house is getting trapped in these memories. Not everyone, like it's like is everyone getting trapped? And we also find out that the uncle has been the one that's calling the house. He's so distraught after everything that we just learned about his affair that he just like can't be around them because it's kind of he feels like it's kind of his fault that they're dead. And Jimmie and Danny go on a date. That's the best part of this episode, you know. They see some moonflowers. It's really cute. Yeah, but it's creepy. They see moonflowers in a creepy forest. Yeah, but it's cute. Yeah, cute but twisted. Yeah, I mean, like how you supposed to like have a good time around there? You know, you're right. They also sleep together, like, yes, Dani and Jamie, we're classing. If that doesn't translate, like if you can't hear that. That's as cloud. Oh yeah, there's also scars on Jamie's back. I don't know if they ever answered that. They don't. Okay, okay, I I didn't want to like like when she wakes up, she notices these scars on Jamie's back. Maybe it's like flight, like Burns. I'm not really sure. It was dark. But when they she wakes up for is sleepwalking again and she keeps going to this lake. And Are you okay? I'm like confused. I don't know why I wrote that. Like what happened at the end of this episode? Um, at the end. So Danny keeps checking in on flora, but one time, one of the Times that...

Danny walks into check on flora, she sees her confronting Rebecca, Rebecca's ghost. She sees the girl, and it ends with miles locking her out. Got It, okay, okay, okay. That's why I was like they're all starting to see ghosts. Okay, I kind of love how Jamie Calls Danny Poppins, like Mary. It's so cute, cute. Oh and when Danny Mocks Jamie's accent, her like British accent. That's kind of cockney accent. That's how we sound when we try to copy the love island cast. Oh, I know, I know. The one thing that bothers me, though, is that, oh, I can't say it yet. I'll say it later, about the accent. Get there. I also think US watching Love Island UK has helped prepare us for Peter's accent. True, Peter's Irish, something like that, Scottish. I'm so sorry our Irish and Scottish fans. I cannot distinguish between your accents, but I can't understand you can I can understand. That's all that matters. And if you tweet, I can read it too. Yeah, have you seen this? tweets like okay, yeah, okay. As we go on, these timelines get more and more jumbled together because people are having breakdowns. So I'll try to make that I'll try to explain this the best way I can. So Danny wakes up and she's tied up Um, and Peter's ghost comes in and he is calling the shots and controlling the kids and he wants to make it so danny can dream, hop or so he says. And while he's trying to control these kids, this knocking sound starts happening and Peter Gets lost in a memory. So the memory is his mother coming to visit him and asking for money, but he doesn't have any. We also find out that his father was sexually abusive to not only Peter but Peter's friends, and so he holds out with him and holds that memory with him and he he thinks that he's stuck in Hell because of this memory. So we also at this point get a flashback from Rebecca. So in this flashback it's the day after Peter supposedly leaves. Rebecca thinks that Peter ran away without her, but he didn't. He was killed, and Jamie tells her that she should really consider taking Peter Spot at Henry's firm to finally become a barrister. But Peter Visits Rebecca and tries to explain what happened and ends up telling her that he died. And we find out that Peter cannot leave, blah blah, but he figured out that he can go into people's bodies and possess them and they decide to share a body and they think that they're going to go into it as equals so they can be together forever. But Peter kind of takes over Rebecca's body and makes her kill herself in the lake and flora is the one who finds the body and Jamie finds flora watching it and picks her up and carries her in. So now that we're out of that flashback, we're back in one thousand nine hundred and eighty seven. Danny is still tied up. Peter comes back into reality and he keeps possessing miles because at this point the kids don't think it's right and they're they're trying to help Danny, but Peter Manipulate them and we find out that over time everyone who dies at bly fades into faceless ghosts, which is really sad because you forget who you are, which is just awful. I couldn't imagine that being your eternity, I know. But yeah, Peter and Rebecca both ask flora miles if they could be in their bodies forever and possess them. And because you have to be accepted into their bodies to possess someone for that long, you can like kind of like go in but then you like yeah, you can never truly be in there. So Peter and Rebecca possessed flora and miles is bodies forever, or at least Peter Thinks. Oh, one thing, sorry, when they like go to possess them, they have to say these kind of like words of acceptance, sort of like not that they have to, but to make it like cool, I guess they have to say it's you, it's me, it's us, when they like right before they touch each other. Yes, like they're like accepting it. It'll make sense in the next episode. Yeah, so, yeah, so...

...then, Um, miles peter kind of forces Hannah gross to to accept the fact that she's a ghost and she finally realizes that she's actually dead. But then we we find out that flora was only pretending to let Rebecca in and they both band together to try to save Danny. So Rebecca is like, you guys need to get out of here. It's too late for miles, and so they start running and unfortunately the lady of the Lake Attacks Danny. She just they were really just like in the middle of her path and she grabbed her. Yeah, one thing that really sucks is like imagine being stuck with Peter for eternity. He sucks. One thing that like, okay, yeah, I've talked so much trash on Peter, but this episode like made me cry when I found out, like when we found out about his past. Oh yeah, that was like it like gave him a little humanity. But at the same time it's like that doesn't doesn't condone killing people or are like his how creepy he is or controlling he is. Yeah, but I do, I do feel for the childhood version of himself. Yeah, I'm sure that mess him up pretty bad, but yeah, I think episode a is super cool and I'm happy I could be the one to talk about it. I'm so glad you get to talk about it, because I thought it was way what I thought it was super cool. Basically, we learn about the history of my manner and the Lady of the lake. So there were these two sisters, Viola and Perdita, prodied as a name of a dog in a hundred one Dalmatians. That's why I was like, Oh, Perdidam Pongo anyway? Not Imporant? Sure God. So, basically, their father died and they needed to find a way to financially support themselves because women didn't really have that power. I guess it was probably like late eighteen, hundreds maybe it was like seventeen or eighteen hundreds? Yeah, yeah, I'm not really sure. So they kind of they didn't like the way the system was set up, which I don't blame them. So they like found this guy named Arthur and they set perdita up with him at first, but then by Alla like walks through the door and kind of takes over. By I was like very controlling and in charge. So, but when she married Arthur, she made sure not to say that she would obey her husband in the vows. She like let it go as like a casual oops, I forgot, but like specifically didn't say it, because then God doesn't have that over her, you know, for the past one on God. So one thing that she does is she walks, she sleeps and she wakes up. It's repeated over and over again. She like I don't know if she has like trouble sleeping, but she always is walk sleeps and wakes up and eventually she has a baby and when she has the baby girl, she says it's you, it's me, it's us, and her baby girl's name is Isabelle. Oh my God, it's you, it's me, spelled exactly like me. It's so cute. But then all of a sudden by all starts coughing blood. Don't and they have that scary crow doctor mask. He hate those. It's so creepy. But she's sick with the lung. I don't know what that means. It's not the plague, but it's the lung is. For some reason I'm thinking like the black lung. Is that a thing? I don't know the lung. Any doctors out there? When I let us know what the lung is? No actual lung. No one with the PhD is listening to US talk. Maybe a history major. Oh yeah, his ancient pandemics. Huh. Anyway, I'm in a good time this episode. Anyway, we're just going to keep going. She has to be isolated. Sound familiar? There's also leeches and blood letting. Don't do that. Basically, it seems like she's going to die, so they have the priest or someone come in and she will not repeat the La Aster Rites. So she's like, I'm not going to die, and she lives for five years, longer than she was supposed to. Like she supposed to live for a few months, but she lives for five years and at one point she gets really jealous of Party and Arthur and just keeps wandering the halls and is very abusive to her sister. She always slaps her. And then she takes all of the jewels and all of her dresses and puts them in a trunk to give to her daughter when she's of age, and tells Arthur that he can only use the keys to open it or can only give the keys to their daughter. We...

...also find out that party kills Viola. She is like saying it that she did it out of mercy, but basically she did it because she had had enough of her abusing her, of her just like living, I guess. So Pretty Marries Arthur and wants all of the jewels and everything that her sister had kept away because the manners in financial ruin because out of grief, Arthur kind of ran everything into the ground. So she takes the keys and opens a chest and as she reaches out, or reaches out to grab a dress, these this is the only part that scared me, like because I wasn't expecting it, like the only part, and I jump scares are stupid. Like that's just like a cop out. But anyway, see, like these these like gross hands reach out from the dress and like grab her and choke her and instantly kill her, which is like okay. So we she's just like dead in the attic and then we flashback to the night that Valo is killed and we find that right after pretty killed her, she's locked in this room with no open doors or windows and all of her jewels and all her dresses are in there. So she's actually inside of the chest. And all she does for years while she's in this one room is she sleeps, she wakes up and she walks around. Just does that. She doesn't she has no idea for how long. But then all of a sudden she feels this chest start to move and she thinks that is boll and Arthur are like because they've decided to leave because of all the grief that's come from living there. They she think that she's they're taking the chest with them. So what they're actually doing is they're throwing the chest in the lake and terrible basically throwing her into the lake to they don't know that she's in there, but like they just like have all this these bad memories associated with they just don't want it. And what she would do is she would every night she would sleep in the lake, she would wake up, come out of lake and then walk around and walk to her bed where she died, and then she would walk back. But basically, every single time that she did this, she would forget more and more. She forget her story, she forget her name, like the dolls forgot their names, and she would eventually her face would wash away because there's no remembrance of like she doesn't remember herself, and that's how we get the Lady of the lake. There's just like two things I'd like to add to that. That's okay. HMM, Nope, damn it. Basically, like when she's walking through through the house, every time that she like every time that she walks through the house, anyone who's in her path she kills. The saddest one of all, though, nothing. This is what I want. That's why I wanted to bring it up, is the child that she thought was hers. She just killed a kid dragged it into the lake. That made me cry. Yeah, basically, she just like she's going to this room so she can hold her child again, hold Isabel, please don't kill me. But like that's the only thing she could remember. She's like going there to get a child. She didn't remember what child. So when the someone moved into this House and there was a child sitting on the bed, she was like, Oh, that's the child I've been wanting. So she just she didn't like choke them like she chokes everybody else. She just grabs them, holds them and then carried him into the lake with her. Yeah, and then so it was like less painful or like less like traumatic, but it still die, though. It's really sad thinking about the fact that the child is also faceless. My last comment, this is just a general comment about the show. Do you think the writers have like choking king, because that's however dies? I mean everyone, like yeah, like may be, but like how else was she going to kill Viola? And that's where I'll started. I mean true, like to make it look like she didn't kill her, you know. HMM, they don't have fingerprinting. Wait, what? Wait, wait, wait, this brings up another question, because of because most of these people die like through like choking. Like how does a ghost choke a human being if they can't like touch them? Because, like you could like in this reality, in this like universe, Um, like people's hands, like a ghost hand will go through the humans hand. Right. I'm thinking, like I don't know, but I'm thinking because she's like head ghosts, you know, like she is head ghost. She is like everything revolves around her, like she can touch people. Okay, no, you know what I mean. In the net,...

...like will get there, but like, yeah, it's everything revolves around her. Head Ghost. I love that. Boss Ghost. I don't know, BOSSC leader of the ghosts, the ghost, president, president ghosts. Yeah, that's that's what I don't know. I don't know. That's my only explanation because I didn't think about that. But you're right. No one else can like touch people without possessing them. But she can like drag bodies, yeah, with ease. Yeah, she did. She must be hit in the gym. She can pick someone, sleeps, walks, hits the gym, Gegel Jim, time to nap and then like, okay, should we move on to the Leyes? or She's fun last episode? Um? Who? So Hannah Gross essentially has to help everyone. She really needs to save the day here, and maybe she'll be able to escape purgatory if she does and go to heaven, because Hannah gross belongs in Heaven. So she tries to stop the Lady of the lake who is just dragging Danny by. Oh my God, Woo. I also had I have this question. How does Hannah hold things if she's dead? Because we do see Hannah holding mugs and wine bottles and, like occasionally, plates and a tea kettle. How does she hold things? No one else can. The physicis the physics of it all doesn't make sense. So she can hold a Mug, but she's like alive enough, like physically in this world on the Earth, hold a Mug, but she can't drink out of the Mug. Maybe it's because she wasn't killed by the ghosts the Lady of the lake. Yeah, but why can she hold things? She can? Don't know. I don't know, I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. Maybe because she know, that wouldn't make I don't know. I'm not sure. Do you just because, like Hannah's death, she's not really connected to lady but lake? Yeah, because miles is the one who, miles peters the one who killed her. MMM. So what do yeah, it. Someone needs to clarify this for us, because it's good. This is what's going to haunt US forever. Um. Okay, so back to it. She tries to stop the Lady of the lake who is just dragging Danny by the throat, and flora is out there too. She's begging the ghost to stop, and the ghosts then thinks that flora is this child that she needs to grab, Aka like her daughter Isabelle, and and then she so she grabs flora and is off to go kill her. And then Henry comes flying onto the property, does a hockey stop in his car. He's drunk driving and he starts running after flora. This is when I start to have respect for Henry. And so lady of the lake, Viola, comes up to Henry and essentially, like we think, kills him. Will it's it. She like reaches just like reaches out in the crushes his neck. That's what it sounds like. Yeah, we don't know how he could survive this. So, because I forgot to mention that in the process of grabbing flora, viola dropped anny and she's just laying on the floor like trying to catch her breath. But now that she's she's feeling better, she runs after everyone and at the same time, Owen and Jamie come because they had a weird feeling, and Owen does CPR on Henry and essentially brings him back to life. We also have to stand Owen. I think, oh, yeah, Owen's wonderful, we love Owen. But then Rebecca occupies flora's body, so when the Lady of the lake takes her into the lake, Um, Rebecca will feel her pain instead of flora. I thought. Sorry, yeah, that made me cry. I know it like because when Peter Killed Her, he jumped out of her body as soon as she was deep enough to like drown. Yeah, so she felt all the pain, but she like didn't make for wouldn't make for go through that exactly, and that just shows how much better of her person Rebecca is then Peter. But then Danny comes running to the rescue and allows viola to take her body by saying the phrase that it's like you, it's me, it's us together forever. Whatever. This is driving together for dinner and well's...

...have some fun. I was saying this Shakiro one. Oh, I'm seeking, I think all you were. Oh, yes, so sorry, this is a very serious moment Um. So Danny, by allowing Viola to occupy her body. It broke the spell and everyone was released into the afterlife, because there's also magic. Yeah, this is why she's the head ghost. Yeah, so she broke the spell, like beauty and the beasts, essentially, but Hannah also went to the afterlife. Just just leaving that in there because, like none of the like humans who are alive know that she's dead and that she's been a ghost. But now Danny is essentially waiting for vil to completely take over her body, which doesn't happen for a while, but we'll get to that. And Henry Decides to take the kids to America and Danny and Jamie decide to go on an adventure. They spend some time in America and they also open up a flower shop and I know it's so adorable. And we jump a few years later, five to be specific. Owen has opened his own restaurant. He keeps a picture of Hannah gross on his wall, which is really cute. Henry Sober. Now Flora has a boyfriend. The kids are seventeen. I don't understand, if only five years have passed, how flora could poss more. More time passes by the time that they okay, like get there, but the one thing I that happens right then is that miles and flora don't remember single thing that happened. Yeah, they've just completely forgotten it, which is insane, because you think something as traumatic as that would last with you for your entire life. I think, Um, the way that the brain handles trauma differs from like certain people, like some people can't, some people compart mentalize so much and like put their trauma like all the way to the back of their brain so that they like can't really remember many details, because it's like it's your brains, it's your body's way of like trying to survive and like heal itself. I read that in my psych class, my one cyclass I took in college. But like they both completely forget anything revolving around these ghosts. Maybe it also has to do with the spell being broken. Okay, sure. The thing is that we can like try to like rationalize this and like try to like debunk it, but at the same time it's like a TV show. So like, I guess they're playing by their own rules of reality. Yeah, I guess, which is annoying because like I want these questions to be answered. But Um, flora has a boyfriend, seventeen in love. They don't remember anything about bly, but Danny starts seeing the Lady of the lake and reflections and she's like, oh no, my time has come. And so Danny left Jamie because, like, she didn't want to hurt her. And Oh, at some point, like they get engaged and form a civil union, which is Great. They end up they both go back to bly at different times. Danny goes and then Jamie follows and Danny is essentially dead and Jamie jumps in the lake and says the phrase to let Danny consume her you know, the together forever, that one. But Danny would never hurt someone because she's too good of a person and she would never consume someone's body or kill. So Jamie goes throughout the rest of her life kind of thinking that perhaps Danny and her have become one. But she never did that and Danny ends up slipping away way until she doesn't remember anything at all and all her features get erased and then be exit out of the story and we're back at the dinner rehearsal. This couple is getting married and it turns out that the woman getting married is flora and the older woman telling the story is Jamie and Henry is an old man and Owen's there and so is miles and it's a happy ending and I was so, so happy I I was about to cry. Two...

...things. The brides middle name is for I don't know why they change your names. Thought that was interesting. I don't know if myles his name is different or if it's his middle name now, but I thought that was like, HM, why they do that? Also, she, Jamie, leaves the hotel room door open to let Danny in just in case. But like I get it, when you're at home, keep your bedroom door open whatever, but a hotel room door, someone's going to come in, rob you and kill you, Oh, definitely, or worse. Why does she have so much faith in humanity, especially with what she's witnessed? I don't know, I don't know. So we've come to the end here. Finally, yeah, I feel bad for you in the future having to edit this, but yeah, I mean I think we like answered, like a lot of our questions within this, but a lot is left unanswered. So if anyone has any ideas or show creators, let us know. I I did enjoy it. I enjoyed it for Jamie and Danny. Hmm, I like felt a little like you're trying to be a little too horror but when I just typed it up, it's supposed to be a drama series, so maybe it's like that's supposed to be a horror series technically. So HMM HM. I guess like my final thoughts are that, like, yeah, I went into this thinking that the show would be a horror series but, like I said before, it turned out to be so much more. I I hate how that arrived. Or out to be kind of a story about love and, yeah, and humanity, and I've really enjoyed this show. It was like some of the best TV I've seen in a while. I loved the representation, I loved just everything about it. But yeah, like I like you said, there are so many questions that are unanswered. I really liked the relationship that they formed, not like Peter and Racods, but like all one and Hannah and Jamie and Danny. I thought those are really, really like nice and they made me happy. Yeah, and also, Um Henry and the MOM. They did seem like really love each other. Like it sucks how that all turned out, but you know, yeah, I guess we're back on track for non themed ones next week. Said, but this is episode twenty, technically like twelve, Andy, so we've got four more to go. Yeah, so I think it'll fall somewhere around the time of the last one. Will be Christmas. Means Yay Christmas, so that should be fun. Hopefully there's like a Christmas series or something, or maybe we can just do a movie that week, but we'll see, because netflix always comes out with stuff's Ah, it's a Christmas something. I hope we get like a cheesy hallmark Christmas series. That'd be so good I can't sell you. Oh One more thing. Um, last week I was in quarantine sort of, so I couldn't record the winners of the episode guessing. I totally forgot supposed about it. It's fine, there were so many. Thank you to everyone who guess. We had Clarissa and Georgia and Ali and those are the first three and I think, at least to a lease also like, way to go, everybody. We haven't had a guess in my two weeks. So correct one. At least they're a correct one. They were a little like, I don't know how like. They were harder to guess. So it's fine, but if you want to win and get a shout out at the beginning of the episode when I'm not in quarantine and have all my equipment, make sure to follow us on Instagram at how we never podcast, and on facebook at how we never seen this before, and on twitter at how have we never because we post our little clues on there and you can guess and stuff. So thanks for listening. This was spoopy. I hope you enjoyed your spooktober. And now it's Christmas and now, Um, well, it's your time. You've offended. It's your time with an excuse me, you offended the Thanksgiving community. All right, we got to end this now before they attack me. All right, we'll see you next week. By Bye. Hey, congratulations, you've made it to the end of our podcast.

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