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How Have We Never Seen This Before?
How Have We Never Seen This Before?

Season 1, Episode 2 · 1 year ago

The Godfather: “Leave the Gun; Take the Cannoli.”

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In Episode 2, Isabel and Lauren discuss the classic 1972 mob drama The Godfather, directed by Francis Ford Coppola.
Join us as we talk about getting strangled out on Christmas, an obscenely long pregnancy, and the difficulties that come with trying to identify lots of old Italian men that look too similar. If you want more from How Have We Never Seen This Before, feel free to subscribe on Apple Podcast and Spotify, and give us a follow on Instagram at @howhaveweneverpodcast!
Also, shout out to Michael Beaumont @monitorcomics for our podcast art! 

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Hi Everyone, and welcome to howhave we never seen this before? This is a podcast where two best friendsdiscuss iconic movies that, well, neither of us have ever seen before.I'm Isabel and I'm Lauren, and this is how have we never seen thisbefore? Hope you enjoy. Hi Everyone, and welcome back to another episode ofhow have we never seen this before? Before we begin, I just wantedto give a huge shout out to Michael Beaumont over at monitor comics.He is now doing our podcast art and it looks amazing. So thank youso much, Mike, and I also wanted to give a shout out tothe winner of our first guests the movie contest. The winner this week isMichaela d elsie. It's really special because we've known her for almost twelve yearsnow. So we'll talk more about the game later, but let's get intothe podcast. This week we watched the Godfather and before we begin talking aboutit, Lauren has some very exciting points that she has to make that Iknow nothing about, so take it away. Yes, so a fun fact aboutIsabel. Her favorite movie is National Treasure, starring the iconic Nicolas Cage, and so you may be asking where does this fall into what we're talkingabout? Well, the movie that we're discussing today is the Godfather, andNicholas Cage is actually related to Francis Ford Coppola, who is the director ofthe Godfather, and he actually changed his name so he wouldn't have his uncle'sfame. I didn't know that at all. Yes, I thought you would appreciatethat fun fact. Before we even started the movie, I started amovie. We watched it separately. I was like, why is this movieso long? It's three hours. Yeah, it was really interesting and it definitelydidn't feel like three hours, but there are some points where I waskind of losing my attention span. To be honest. I put it intwo times. That's cheating. No, wonder you didn't understand the Italian parts. No, I had it when they were in Italy. That's I wasat two times to be but why would I understand that? Anyway, Ican't believe you cheated. I'm so sorry I had to cut the grass.I had to sit through three hours of this movie just so you could watchit in an hour and a half. No, no, no, notthe entire time. I watched it in probably two hours and thirty minutes.Okay, okay, that's understandable. It was only like certain parts. Okay, anyway. Okay. Also, I know I knew absolutely nothing about thismovie. I had no idea what would happen. It wasn't like rock,where I thought or I knew that there was going to be fighting and Philly. In this one, I knew absolutely nothing. Yeah, I didn't reallyknow anything about this either, and, to be honest, I was puttingit off because I didn't want to see Marlon Brando old. I like,grew up watching him in a street car named desire and on the waterfront andhe's just so dreamy in those and I was not looking forward to seeing himwith his big cheeks and all those ray things, and so that's why Ihad been putting it off for so long. Don't bash big cheeks. I happento be cheap. Great, I'm sorry, sorry to the big cheekcommunity. Okay, so the film starts and were at dawn corleone's daughter's weddingand they are in an office and this man, he doesn't come up anylater and they didn't really give him a name, not that I could tell, and he was talking about how he really needs the godfather's help because hisdaughter was attacked by these men because she wouldn't sleep with one of them,and they were only in jail for a day. And when I heard that, I was like, Huh, things aren't very much different today. Absolutelynothing has changed. I was thinking about that that whole Standford, the swimmingthing. That's exactly where my mind went. I was like, wow, thisshould be something that we're not dealing with anymore. But what really putme off about that is not only was she attacked, but the main reasonwhy this man was so upset is because his daughter is apparently no longer beautiful. That was the main worried they say that later too, towards the end, there's another girl and he's like, or her father says to the Godfather, she's no longer beautiful and innocent, like he's ruined her. So manyproblems with that. But it only happens...

...twice, I think so, justlike the way they treat women as the story progress is just keeps getting worse. Really, like the woman that I thought would be in it the most, which is Connie, his daughter, wasn't in it at all. Shemaybe had five minutes of screen time. So after that, after he explainsto the Godfather Don Corleone that his daughter was attacked and he needs his help, I was like, oh, that's where that voice is from. Ididn't know that the weird voice or the weird accent that Marlon Brando has inthis movie is from this movie because people in front of it. Wait,that's actually pretty funny, because when he was saying like you come to meon the day of my daughter's wedding, I was like, I've seen thisbefore somewhere, and that's because have you ever watched drug rats go to pain? No, but I wrote. Have you ever seen Zutopia? It's wronglymimic the Godfather and Zutopia and they do the scene and they're little little miceor possums and they the rabbit saves his daughter and it's the godfather situation.But continue, yeah, that it's the same situation in the opening scene ofrug bass good of Paris. They're creating this like little fake scene. Um, yeah, why did they put so funny into Faunda? I guess forthe parents. I don't know. Yeah, maybe it's a reference for the parentsto understand. So then they they keep talking about this and the Godfatheris talking to this man. He's like you, you weren't my friend.You never invited me over to your house for coffee, like you should havebeen my friend and I would help you. So he's like, do you wantto be my friend? And then he kisses his hands, and Iwas thinking very much like the Pope and how you have to like kiss thering of the pope. That's all I know about Cathos. I was thinkingabout the grown virus at that mom all right. And then we're at theactual wedding and I was like, Oh my God, it's Adrian, it'sConnie, but it's Adrian. Yeah, it's the same actor and I thinkthat's crazy that the first two movies we watch has the exact same matter actress. I know I love that, and that's all she's really known for tothe these two movies. Yeah, the wedding looked so yeah, that looklike an amazing wedding. There were so many people and they're all just sohappy. What really annoyed me, though, was that all of the guys atthe wedding were conducting business throughout the whole entire thing, except until thevery end. I don't understand why in every movie that's that's like this,they conduct all their business at really important life events and I guess like becausethere's a lot of people there and it might be a little less suspicious,but then you're also missing out on your daughter's wedding day. So I wouldbe so pissed off if everyone, all the boys in my family, wereoff doing business on my wedding day like the Conon I joe is playing.Come on. And while they're doing all this business, there are FBI,or I think it's I'm pretty sure it's FBI, and they're writing down thelicense plate of all the cars that are outside of the house, which Ithought was pretty legal. And then we get introduced to polly. Another paullythat down, but I couldn't remember who was polly the rest of the moviebecause there were just so many names and so many people know paully is annoying. Which one does something awful polly, because I tried to get the namesdown with there were so many names I couldn't remember. Okay, well,they kill polly for betraying them, all right, so okay. Also,at the wedding this man named Johnny comes and everyone, all the girls,are screaming their fan girling really hard, and he is the Godson of theGodfather, and I was just like, does everybody want their child to bethe Godchild of Don Corleone just so he'll do things for them? Yeah,and I think at the end you can kind of see the importance of beinglike, quote Unquote, the Godfather and the power that comes out with it. They also tell this story about the band leader and that the godfather madehim an offer he couldn't refuse, that Johnny could be free of this recordingcontract so he could go do better things. And originally he offered him tenzeros andthen he put a gun to his head and he said fine, athousand dollars. So I said this must be like, is this how everyinteraction goes? And, as we see, yes, it is, YEP,or worse. Another important point to note about the wedding is that we'reintroduced to Michael. We kind of find out that he's the black sheep.He's in military attire and he doesn't seem to be involved in any of thefamily business, and he brings Ka, his girlfriend, and she isn't Italian. So that's kind of going on at the same time as the wedding.But then after the wedding, or from...

...the wedding, from this inner interactionand them bringing up the band leader story, Johnny Needs Helps Getting a movie part. So they go to California to convince this I think he's the director, but they try to convince him to put Johnny in the in the movie, and he refuses. And before he refuses, I just got to saythat the costumed directors in these last two films do a really great job withall the suits. I Love Them. They look so good. I madea note of Mr Waltz's suit too. It looked so good. And thisother guy behind him had this big jeweled Cardian but a king. I thoughtit was great. And then he makes him this offer that Johnny should bein the movie. It's not really an offer. He's just like put Johnnyin the movie. And he asks him if he he's Italian and he sayshe's German, Irish, and he calls him a crowd. My friend,is that a slur? Yeah, he throws a lot of slurs. Thatokay, that's what I thought. It was a slur and I figured it'swell. Also, when he thought he was Italian, he was saying slursto him about being Italian to so yeah, I like I was caught up becauseI couldn't figure out what the other one meant and I just assumed itwas a slur. So then they go to Mr Waltz's house and Tom sayslike yes, I'm working for dawn corleone, and then he's a little bit nicerto him. He's like, why don't you say that before, likethings would have been a little bit different. And he describes why he can't giveJohnny the job and it's because Johnny made the director feel humiliated because thewoman that they were working with wanted to be with Johnny instead of with thedirector. God forbid. A woman uses her own free will and this womanwas probably in her early twenties and this man is in his latees, orat least seventy. Wait, I thought it was because he trained her tobe a start and she wanted to like settle down and have a family.Know I well, at least maybe, but at least what I understood wasthat he was he said she was the finest piece of study ever. Hadthought he meant that for the industry. That is not I don't think that'seven again. Well, we're also introduced to the horse, the six hundredzerodollar horse, and poor horse. I said to myself nothing better happened tothis horse, because why would they introduce the horse that they weren't going todo something awful to it? Right after they show the horse, the nextscene is them slowly zooming in on a bed and I couldn't tell if MrWaltz was dead or if he was just stabbed because he was moving. Andthen you see him pull up the bed sheets and there's just blood everywhere andI was like it can't be him. He would have felt that. Hewould have woken up in his sleep. And then there's the horse's head inhis bed. That was so horrified. It was so horrifying and it lookedvery real and I was concerned they could up. No, I'm sure theydidn't. You know, know, it was it was pretty gross, prettyreally. I also don't know how he didn't feel. How like something peoplefeel like being covered in blood and a horses. Horses are very heavy,so I think he would have felt or the smell to yeah, yeah,that too. So after they put the horse head in Mr Waltz bed.We are transported back to New York and Johnny has a job in the filmand then they mention the five families of New York. So these are thefive mob boss families, and I was just at this one. I wasa little confused. I didn't understand what the Godfather did to get his moneyor how it was I I was assuming something illegal, but I wasn't sureif it was passed down or he started his own business. But later onthey say he's in the quote unquote, olive oil business, and then theymentioned this drug ring and this man's trying to get support from the Godfather andget him involved for thirty percent of the prophets so that he can have policeprotection and political influence, because the godfather has all these connections and can kindof corrupt anything if he wills it. He then he says no, though, because drugs is a dangerous business and it a lot of his political partnersmight go against him for that. It's interesting because at this point in themovie I felt like I was rooting for the partly own family because I guessthey turned down like selling drugs and they only even though they're awful people likethey they murder people all the time, they murder animals. I don't Iguess I was rooting for them because I guess the godfather kind of serves aslike a moral like a moral guideline. I said this later, but Idid say that the Godfather seems like the only one who has his leg headstraight. He doesn't act without thinking.

So I think had he not beenthere, like had he sent his sons, it would have ended very differently andI don't know, maybe actually that would have been better for their familyin the end. But at this point I was like, is there apotential battle between the five families? And yes, there is. So thenthe godfather asks Luca Brasi, who's his I kind of like a hit man, kind of a double agent. He asks him to go meet with theto tag leat, to Italia. My Grandmother's made a name is Tartaglia,so I keep getting them confused. That's funny anyway. So he asked himto go meet with that family and say that he's kind of fed up withthe corleones and that he's looking to switch sides. And as he walked intothe bar, all I could think about was the drink that he's handing himis poison the the cigarette that either they're giving him is there's poison in that. And then they're talking in Italian. I don't know what they're saying.I'm assuming that he thinks that they're believing whatever he's saying. And then theystab him in the hand and then they strangle him. I think being chokedout on Christmas is a truly awful ways bad I feel really bad for Luca. Yeah, I felt bad, but I don't know, he seems alittle I feel like he could have been a traitor in the end to likeif he had really gotten in with that family, he might have switched side. But I don't know. I think he was loyal throughout the whole thing, the whole twenty also whole twenty minutes of his appearance. But Um,I also at this point thought to myself, AH, this is a Christmas movie. Yeah, I couldn't figure out the time because the wedding look likea summer wedding and there was just like a lot of back and forth withthe timelines. It was a little hard to follow them. But then it'sobvious it's Christmas when Tom Hagan, who becomes a constigliere. He's like anadvisor to the head of a family. I'm sure every family has one.Then the two other members of this rival family come up to him while he'swalking down the street and there's Christmas music playing when they're like get in thecar and it's the Christmas Song. Like he sees you when you're sleeping,he knows in your wake. And all I could think about was, like, the heads of these these mob boss families have eyes all over the place. So they're like an evil Santa Clause. That's not like an eloquent way toput it, but they have eyes all over the place. They're alwayswatching. I guess instead of coal, you get choked down on hers.Movie Moving. So now we're at the wait. We have to clarify thatthis is all paully's fault. Yeah, so this is all polly's fault becausehe's pretending to be sick and he's tipping people off about you know what Iwas thinking during this scene one, he's pretending to call like like for meangirls as. So now we're at an open air market. It's like afruit, fruit market, and Don Corleone's just walk it around, grabbing someoranges, and these two men just come up and shoot him down and Alfredo, his one of his son's, does absolutely nothing. He drops the gunand does nothing, and it was just so quick and I was just thinkinglike, after all this time of being a mob boss, like, whydon't you have any protection? Why don't you have someone else there with agun? Why didn't you wear a bulletproof vest, which we see Brazi doearlier? It just seemed weird that he had no other protection when he knewall the stuff was going on, because they had these meetings with the otherfamily. And also it's important, I guess, to point out that hewas picking up oranges, because that becomes a symbol for something in the restof the movies. I read that somewhere. Oh really, after I watched this. Yes, so we have to look out for oranges when we reviewthe next team. I also completely made that up because I couldn't remember ifhe was picking up apples. Are Really? Yeah, there are oranges. Okay, cool. So also, I said, I'm assuming he isn't dead, because there are still over two hours left in this movie. He can'tdie. Or the movie with you over, not yet, it's so then wecut to Michael and K walking out of Radio City Music Call and they'rejust walking down the street and she sees a newspaper that's somehow already been printedthat says that the Godfather is dead, and I just didn't understand how shecould see that when she was on the opposite side of the sidewalk with Michaelin the way. She was just like yeah, your dad might be deadand you know nothing about it. She wasn't even looking in the right directioneither, and that was just just a weird way to bring that about,like they could have just reshot it and had her actually looking at the newstands. So then we go to the next scene and it's Tom Hagan andthe say their name again, Tatta Talk totalias and and also the the drugdealer who's working with them. And they...

...kidnapped Tom but they they didn't wantto kill him, but then they tried to kill the God thought I didn'treally understand why they did both. I could understand one or the other.It just seemed like if you've already killed him, why would you need Tomand I think they did that so the power would shift to one of thesons, because they were into the deal from the beginning and he knew that. For some reason he talked about it later. Yeah, I just Ijust didn't I thought that was a little strange. And then they asked Haganto fix everything, which, like, I don't know how he could fixanything after they've just attempted to kill their their leader, which was just alittle strange to me. So then there it looks like a Christmas tree farmand and two or three of them find out that the Godfather's actually still alive, and I was curious as to whether they were going to keep that asecret or if they were just going to tell everyone that he was still alive, because I thought that if they didn't keep it a secret then there wouldbe more attempts on his life. So I didn't know how they do that, because there's so many of them and they say everything in an open space. So then they're back at home and all the brothers are together and theother workers of the Godfather and a package arrives and I was like maybe it'slike a bomb, maybe they're just trying to get all of them at once, and it's frozzie's vest with a fish in it. So that means he'sswimming with the fishes, that they kill them. Pretty much just kind ofa weird way of saying that someone's dead. Yeah, I I just I don'tknow, I figured just sending their head. I don't know, it'slike the horses. I don't think that's the right way to go about iteither. Hell'll just a polite letter. Yeah, because they're real polite.Ear The corleone family. We killed Luca Brazzie, sorry, sorry, andsleeps with the fishes and then draw a fish the little triangle in the yeah, give a all smiley face. So then we see I don't know whothis is. This I couldn't figure out his name. It's the bigger guyand I'm guessing this is polly, that he's that's what I thought, butI wasn't a hundred percent sure, because now that you say that paully's theone who kind of causes I think it's polly, but I don't remember theother guy's name. But they're driving into the city and I was like someone'sgoing to die, everyone's going to die right now, because they're in anopen field with the Statue of Liberty in the distance and he's just like Ineed to get out and go to the bathroom. I was you're going todie, like I knew he was gonna die. It was just awful,though, because they were laughing and joking before this. Yeah, I guessthat's to give him off guard, but it I don't know, I evenknow. I was like who was the driver? Why was he shot?And knowing it's polly, it makes or assuming it's polly, it would makea lot more sense. But it just seemed like a strange way to goabout things, especially because they just leave him in the car in the middleof this. Also, at this point I noticed something kind of interesting.So usually, like throughout the whole movie, when someone's like shot, glass shatters, like, whether it's like a car window or even towards the end, there's always glass shattering when people want something violent happened. Yeah, Ididn't think about that, but yeah, I'm later on there's the rotating door, that glass shatters and the glasses. That's that is interesting, that theglass only shatters and someone dies. So then they're Michael wouldn't tell K thathe loved her, even though she said I love you, and then theywere talking about cooking and how how to make like the perfect meatballs and saucepretty much, and I just thought it was really funny because for Mother's DayI made my family's to getting meatballs, but my grandmother was disappointed with myoh what kind of sauce? I just took it from a can, like, not a can, but like I didn't make the sauce myself because Iam exam that day, but she was disappointed with it and kept telling mehow it would be better. So I'll take the Italian cooking tips that theygive in this movie. Yeah, you should have also going back to whyhe didn't tell her he loved her. I think at first I thought itwas because he thought he would have been made fun of, but then Iwas also thinking about it, and he kind of sends her a way toprotect her, and you can tell that he pushes her away as he getsmore involved with the family, and I guess maybe he's worried about getting closeto her because it puts her in danger, kind of like Spiderman. Yeah,okay, and then so they're at a hotel and this is where he'sreally starting to push her away. Like I think it's a hotel looks likethey have room service or something, but then they're going to or Michael goesto the hospital to see his father and when he's there he's like why we'reall the police that we send and where are our men that we sent hereto protect him? And he was something these bad's going to happen now thatthey're gone. People know that he's here and they move him. And whenthey were moving him, they shot it from an angle where you could seepart of the stairs and I thought they were going to roll them down thestairs, saying so, don't go too...

...close to the stairs. I gotreally nervous for him. I was like that's going to kill him. Thenurse was also kind of scaring. Yeah, I don't know, I felt kindof whole about she was gonna like inject him with something and that wouldbe the end of him too. There's a lot of ways people can diein this. So then Enzo, who's a baker and is friends with thembecause the godfather had helped them out, he comes and tries to bring flowersand Michael Says No, we someone's coming. We need to go outside and andprotect him. So they pretend they have guns and they they pop theircollars and they stick their hand in their coat pocket as these rival mob bossesdrive up like they're going to go in and shoot him, and I wasjust surprised it. I thought it would take more for them to leave.I think that, Um, the reason why they left is because they didn'tthink it was completely cleared out, like if there were two people standing outside, you don't know who's inside. But I think they thought that they wereout number. Okay, okay, yeah, I got to me. Then thepolice chief comes with he came with someone. I thought it was thedrug dealer, who I don't know the name of. So the person thatyou're talking about is so low so, and he's known as the Turk,which is the Oh right, okay, okay, I remember them saying that. I remember him them calling him the TURT. So at that point,also, when the police show up, the police chief punches Michael, andI didn't realize this until I looked it up after, but he breaks hisjaw and that's why it's all bruise in the next seat. And you alsofind out here that he's a war hero, which kind of explains why he wasn'treally involved in the family business until now. And another important part tokind of take note of here is that it was a it was very mucha turning point in the movie when Michael Gets involved in the family business anddecides to beat there for his dad. That, yeah, I wrote thatdown, is definitely a turning point for him. So then they're back atthe house. This is the point where it's like, why is Sonny incharge? Sonny seems so reckless and just really impulsive and like he would doanything. Yeah, just because in that moment he feels like it, andI just didn't understand why he would be in charge. It should be someonesomeone like Tom or someone like Michael, who thinks at least a little bitmore and is more like the Godfather, because I think that's someone with alevel head should be should be running a mob. Maybe he was just nextin line and that's how that worked. I don't really know all feel that'swhat I was thinking. I assumed he was the next brother in line becauseMichael seemed to lie younger than the rest of them. And Tom Brings upthat he wants to shoot the police captain and I was like wow, that'sa terrible idea. You'll definitely get arrested for that, but Michael is kindof all for it. It was so funny when they were thinking about whatrestaurant to pick and they decided on one that was known for its good food, and I think that's so funny and how like food plays such a bigrole in their lives, like whenever they're arguing, they always say that they'reif they feel feel better for yeah, I just think that it's funny howthey think food is going to solve all of their problems. Yeah, Ithink sometimes at this point they're also complaining about dishonest cops and like how coulda police to do this? And I like don't, don't you have controlof all the other cops, which I was just seemed like kind of hypocritical, but that's that's how the mof he goes, I guess. So thenthey also have a gun that Michael's going to use to kill the police chief, and it was explainment the tape on the gun would keep it from gettingfingerprints, and they explicitly tell him to drop the gun, which I didn'tunderstand, like why would you drop the gun? Why would you? Itjust seemed a little strange to drop, specifically drop it. Yeah, maybeit's so that the police don't go digging for more evidence if there's okay,I don't know. That's just I just thought of that now. But Ialso thought the scene was weird because his bruis looked so much worse than yeah, yeah, that's why I was like maybe something more. I wasn't evensure if he got slapped or punched, and then when I looked up thathe had had his jaw broken, that made a little bit more sense tome. And then they Michael is going to this dinner and I was alittle confused because they're they're going over bridge and Michael Mentions like why are wegoing to Jersey? I thought we were going to a restaurant in Brooklyn,and then they whip around and head back to the restaurant. Well, ifhe looked behind them, it looked like two cars were following them. SoI think they are trying to kind of like lose the cars up following them. Yep, yeah, I remember that now. Maybe I'm wrong, Idon't know. I did. They did a lot of like shots of themweaving in and out, so that would make sense of them was falling andthey were trying to ditch them because they couldn't make that sharp turnaround like theythey did to return to Brooklyn. So then they're at the restaurant and they'retalking in Italian again and there are no...

...subtitles and I didn't know what theywere saying, but I did look up that apparently that this might not bebe true, but one comment was that you're not supposed to know what they'resaying because you're supposed to be in the same position as the police captain whodoesn't know Italian, which I was like, Yuh, maybe. I don't knowif that's it, but that's interesting. I was just going to say thatI understood it a little bit. And they're kind of talking about howwhat happened to the Godfather was business and that he has like respect for himstill. He's just basically saying that he wants peace and that he respects thegodfather and shooting him was just all business. Sure, okay. And then Michaelkills the police chief and the Turk and that's that's that, and thenthey do that cool newspaper effect where they they just showed different newspapers headlining thatthe police chief was killed and he was involved with this drug ring, andI know I thought that was a fun effect. We love a good montage. So then the godfather comes home and at this point I was kind ofsensing that Michael might have been his favorite son, because he didn't want totalk to any of the others unless Michael was there. And earlier at thewedding he refused to take a picture for the wedding party without Michael, whichI think says a lot for what happened in the end. Like like theposition that Michael Gets put in at the end and why it's him and notnot anybody else. I also think to veto family is really important to him. Like I wrote down a quote that he said about family. He saysa man who never spends time with his family can never be a real man. So it kind of shows how much he values family over everything. Healways he emphasizes even like friends that are so close as family, and howbeing someone's Godfather's very, very important for Italians. So at this point Michaelis now in Italy and this is because he because he killed the police chiefand and the Turk, he needed to leave for a safety I didn't understandthat at the time. I understood it later. So I was confused andI thought he was just there to meet a girl and get married, likehe met that girl right away. But then it switches back and forth throughItaly and New York and Connie is abused by her husband and she calls Sonnyright away and as soon as Sonny finds out, he drives over and beathim up. I thought maybe he bit his finger off, because there wasa point where he was grabbing his poll and he got his mouth really closeto his hands. But there wasn't any blood, so I don't think hebit his finger off, but that's kind of where I thought it was going. Yeah, I Hate Carlo throughout the whole movie. He's so scrible.And then it switches back to Italy and Michael's marrying this girl Apollonia, whoisn't that important. Well, I don't understand it is. At the weddingthey do not look at what it all said. I was like, didshe want to get married? Like, what is going on here? Sheseems she's not smiling, like she's not necessarily upset, but she's not happy. And then all of a sudden we cut towards the bedroom and then Iwas like, Oh, I guess it's fine. It looks a little there. I just saw that their wedding didn't look nearly as fun as the Ohno, not at all, and I didn't I that's why I thought maybehe went to Italy to marry her, because she didn't look happy. Idon't know. I wasn't sure because I didn't pick up on the fact thathe left for a safety until later. But then we're cutting back to Americaand this woman in a red coat shows up and I didn't understand who itwas, but it's k the girl he was seeing earlier. I think it'sinteresting that the first time you see her enter the house she's wearing a reddress and the second time she's wearing a red interesting. I didn't think aboutthat, but yeah, so we see her and then we cut to Connie'shouse and she's pregnant. Don't know when that happened, but she a mancomes in and at that point I thought it was sunny, and I was, because they both have his curly hair and I I was like like whyis then he starts. He gets very angry and he looks like he's tryingto whip her with a belt and I was like, oh my gosh,like, sounny, what are you doing, like she just got abused by yourhusband, and then I realize it was her husband and you also learnedthat he is cheating on her to Carlos, cheating on Connie. Connie. Yeah, I just I got very confused and I thought it was sonny forthe majority of that scene and then I realized it, because then Sonny iscalled, because Connie Call Sonny is who's happens again, and he immediately drivesoff, doesn't tell anybody where he's going. They try to follow him, butas soon as he gets there, well, he's goes to the tollto cross into wherever Connie lives, because we don't really know, and hegets shot down by six to eight guys with machine guns, and I wasjust like, there won't be any of them left by the end of thismovie, and how can they make two more of everybody's death? After hedies? The Godfather is talking about with...

...this family, and to me heseemed like the only one to have any sense. He was just like therethere's no vengeance for this, like enough people have died already. We justneed to get a meeting of everyone to end this. So the next sceneis actually pretty important because you get to see the guy from the very beginningof the movie. He works at a funeral home, I guess, andhe's in charge of making Sonny look good for the funeral, and the Godfatherasks him to return the favor. Finally the day has come and you thinkit's going to be something violent, but in reality he just asks that theGuy Makes Sonny look presentable and isn't covered in so much blood for the funeral, which I think you kind of really get to see the Godfather's heart thereand that kind of helps me root for the family even more. Yeah,I agree. So after Sonny dies, we also cut back to Italy andMichael and Apollonia are driving around and I guess he's teaching her how to drive. That's kind of what it seemed like, and she's really eager to keep driving. I think they're going on vacation somewhere, because they're trying to putbags into the trunk of the car and as Michael's walking to the car,she's very anxious to leave. You like not anxious, but she just wantsto go. She's excited and he sees one of these Italian men that hehad had met with when he first got to Italy and he looks pretty suspiciousand as soon as he sees him, Michael calls out to Appalone, likewait, like don't, don't turn on the car, like don't do anything. And as soon as she turns on the car it's actually a car bomband the car explodes and it was meant for Michael. It was meant forfor both of them, but more so him than her, which is reallysad because anyone that anyone loves in this movie dies. Yeah, it's reallysad. So now we're at the meeting of the five families of New Yorkand New Jersey and the Godfather says that he's going to get out of thedrug business, which I was a little confused about because I thought he hadnever been in it in the first place, because he said no to the Turkso that confused me a little bit. But maybe that was his original businessin the first place. I was kind of confused by that, butI don't think he had ever been involved in the drug business. Yeah,I just couldn't tell. I assume he was just saying that to appease everybody, because they would have just been contradicting everything that happened before. So thenthe godfather also says that he will not be taking any vengeance for Sonny becauseit won't help anybody. It'll just get more but killed, which I thinkis a very valid point. Why did it take so long for the peopleto understand that? Well, I think it's just because he was in thehospital and and everyone else was so impulsive and trying to get vengeance all thetime. That that's why it didn't work. Yeah, I guess he's continuing toserve as like a moral guide for everyone. Yeah, the most moralof the mob bosses. And he also says that because I'm not looking forvengeance for Sonny, I want Michael to come home and not have the fearof being killed all the time. And then he swears on his grandchildren,and I was like, why does everybody swear on their children or their grandchildren? Because nobody cares who they kill. So, yeah, those are justwords. Yeah, I didn't understand why they they took that as something didgo by. I don't know. These people don't seem to be that Nice, but then then they decide that they're going to sell the drugs, butthey're going to control it and they're not going to let children buy them them. Oh, yes, yeah, at this point I got really disturbing becausethey said that they were going to sell it to African Americans and just callthem slurs, which was awful, but I think it's it's something. Notethat the Godfather doesn't become a part of that. Yeah, he does,he does. Yeah, that was the compromise. He's going to offer themprotection and get like the police are going to get involved, as long asthey controlled who they're selling the drugs too. We look at these movies from verydifferent lenses. I feel like that was important. I think you're rightand I just missed it completely. I need to watch these moves twice,but that one was three. Maybe I misunderstood, I don't know. Ithink you're probably right and I just missed it or forgetting because I have aterrible memory. Anyway, they also find out that the person that's been messingup their lives this whole time was bar Zini. This is like the sceneafter this happens, before my gets back. I had no idea who bar Ziniwas at this point. I think it's hard to tell. I thinkthat's why it's so confusing, becaause you don't like we are in the positionof not knowing that Barzini's done everything,...

...and I don't I don't think Ifully understand how don corleone figures it out at that meeting. Like what isthat one thing that makes him realize that, oh, it's him, and weonly know that it's him because he says it in the car. Idon't think it was clear right. I think maybe it's because he's known thefive families for so long, so he knows the to tally a family alot and the the guy that's running that maybe he could tell just by lookingat him that he was kind of fighting between peace and starting this war becauseof Barzini. Yeah, that that bar was so confusing, but I guesswe've established that Barzini was kind of instigating this whole thing, telling the toTalia family to sell drugs and to be anti corleone. Yeah, it's confusingon purpose. You're not supposed to know. So now we cut to Michael hasreturned home and he sees k for the first time. She's walking witha bunch of children. I was maybe she's a teacher or something, butthen I was very confused because he tells k that he's been home for overa year and I didn't know if this peace treaty happened a year ago andthis was signaling this jump in time. That was confusing to that actually reallystuck out to me too. But it hasn't been a year because Connie isstill pregnant. Yeah, which is again I was like how? I don'tunderstand this timeline. And also how does Mike Expect K to marry him afterhe ghosted her and didn't reply to any of her letters, married someone elseand then came back. Yeah, I did not understand any of what she'sdoing. And then she just leaves with Michael in a car and I waslike where did the children go? She just left him behind. There's twelvechildren running around the streets UN supervised. So at this point Michael is takingcharge of the Corleone Family because the Godfather, he's much older and he's been sickand getting shot three times doesn't really help. So he tells K andand the rest of the family that within five years their operations will be legitit won't be any undercover business, and they're doing that by moving to Nevadaand Buying Hotel and casino from some of that they had been working with before. Tom Hagen is also the lawyer now and he's not the constiglier. DonCorleone becomes a constanglier because he doesn't are. Michael doesn't think that Hagens can doit because it's wartime. Another important point to notice is that Carlo isnow finally in the family business. HMM, which is annoying because I hate him. Yeah, I was confused why he hadn't been in it at allfor so long. Like the only time that we had seen Carlo and Conniewas when he was hitting her. So then they we go to Nevada andwe see that Alfredo has been in Nevada. He was sent there a long timeago to work with the Green family for protection at that point, butnow he's been working them for so long. and Johnny, the singer from thebeginning of the movie, is also there and at this meeting Michael AsksJohnny to sign a contract saying that he will appear five times a year atthis hotel and casino and also asked his celebrity friends to do this as wellbecause they want to support this casino, and Johnny signs it right away becauseof everything that Don Corleone has done for him. But Alfredo says that hehas never heard about this buying the hotel and casino from Green, and heknows that he would have, because he's been there for so long and they'vebecome close that he would have told them if there was this deal on thetable. So the current owner, green, says that no, he will notsell it because the COR Leons don't have the pool anymore because the godfatherhas been he's been ill, and that he can't really force him to doanything anymore. There's there's no offer that can't be refused. So Alfredo alsoreally disappoints Michael, because Alfredo supports green more than he supports his own family, which is that call back to what the Godfather had said earlier about howhe really found family important and that it was family over everything. I alsojust wanted to point out that Michael's face looks a lot better now. Hefixed it all up because before, throughout the whole thing, he had,or ever since he was punched by the police chief, he had a hugemark on his cheek and then they got...

...rid of that. I think thatalso shouldn't passing a time. Yeah. Well, also, someone faced itfor him, like he must have gotten surgery. But then they're back atthe house in New York and the Godfather says to Michael that in this upcomingmeeting that he's going to have about about the five families and about like kindof the future of what's going to happen, that the guy who sets this upis a traitor, and I didn't really understand how he knew that.I mean, he's right, but I don't know how he knew that.I think he just knows these things, which is elderly wisdom. Okay,sure, I'll take that. I'm also not sure who says this, butaround that point someone says women and children can be careless, but not men, and I was like interesting that you would say that. Okay, theway that women are treated in this movie is just awful. I'd like tosay it's because of what it was filmed but it's not. Yeah, sothen I think it's I think more time passes, like it seems like it, because Don Corleone seems older. Also, it's weird because k Michael have akid now, but Connie is still pregnant. Yeah, yeah, Ididn't get that. What? I'll get to that right after this, butyeah, that really confused me. So then the godfather is playing with Michael'skid, and this kid must be for three or four, I think he'sso cute, very cute, adorable, and they're just playing in the flowersand then he just dies right in front of his grandkid. Yeah, Ikind of saw that happening. I knew it was going to like you couldsee who's going to happen, but it's such, so terrible that poor kid. Yeah, and I don't know about you, but I actually felt reallybad when he died. Like I don't know why I'm rooting for this momboss this whole movie. I think it's I think it's because he he hasthat more compass that no one else in this film has. HMM. Butyeah, he just dies and then they go to his funeral. It seemedlike all five of the families were there as well, because there were somany people at this funeral. And yet again at another life event, theyneed to talk business and this one man, testio, he's also a traitor.At this point, testio, who has worked for the corely on familyhe comes up to Michael and tells him that there needs to be a meetingwith Brenzini, HM, but also it's also the to Taglia is. Oris it just Brancini? I think it's. Well, doesn't he end up killingall of them? Yeah, they all die in the end. Sohe ends up killing them all. So I think that they're kind of fakingshowing respect for veto and because in the end they're just all traders, andI think that's why Michael kills them all. Yeah, but yeah, that's reallybecause testio was the person that came up to Michael to talk about it. That means that he's the traitor that has been behind a lot of thedeaths and and the misfortune. Yes, but then this is where the timelinebecomes even more confusing, because Connie asks Michael to be her son's Godfather andhe needs to be at his Christening, which I thought happened as soon asthe baby was born, but Connie was pregnant so long ago. But nowMichael and Kay have a kid who's looks like he's definitely not one or two, but I don't know. I was is this another baby or is thisthe same baby, because there wasn't another child present except for Michael's child.Yeah, like, why wouldn't you see the kid at the Christening, thesecond the first kid that they had allegedly? Yeah, I don't know. Iwas also thinking that maybe when when Carlo went in the second time,he was hitting her. They shut the door and you don't see what happens. So I was thinking maybe she loses the baby. Oh, yeah,I didn't think of that. That's probably what happened, but we also don'tknow that she had been pregnant at any other time. So it's kind ofconfusing. If you didn't catch that, which I didn't even think about ittoo after it happen. Yeah, I definitely that's definitely a note I'd liketo I'd like to make because they should just say, like they could justit would take one second for them to say, Oh, Connie's pregnant again. Throw it somewhere in there. Yeah, I think that would have made alot more sense and it kind of throws a timeline off. If itdoesn't make sense. But Wow, this christening is happening, you're also seeingand it's ironic because Michael saying, yes, I didn't ounce Satan, I denounceall these sins, while you see...

...these men going around and killing allthe other leaders of the five families. And, like you said earlier,there's that glass shattering and you see green also get shot as well. Hegets shot through his glasses. That breaks. One of the other men is goingthrough a revolving door and is shot through the revolving door, which ismade a glass, and then there's another one in a car. So there'salways a glass shattering. It also happens later when Carlos dies. So Ialso wanted to say like during this scene you could also hear children crying,which happens so often throughout the movie. It was so disturbing hearing children cryingthroughout the whole thing. It like with me upset. So after this killingmontage on top of the Christening, Michael Meets with Carlos and is like sitdown with me, like here's a drink, and I was like the drink ispoison. Carlos is going to die. It was. And then Michael saysto him like you're leaving, you you cannot be with Connie. You'reyou're a terrible man, which he is, and his he says, get inthis car, we're taking you to the airport. You're leading, andhe doesn't really fight it that like. He does for a little bit,but hey, he doesn't put it much of a fight for it. Andas they're in the car driving to what you think is the airport, he'ssitting in the front and then there's a man in the back who comes aroundwith a cord and strangles him and while he's being strangled, he like kickshis foot through the windshield and the glass breaks. So, yeah, there'sa glassbreaking again, and Connie blames Michael for everything that happened and she saysthat he only kept Carlos alive until it was the right time to kill him, after Don Corleone had died, which I don't think she's wrong at all. He was a terrible person. The God father wouldn't stand for him beingkilled because he is family and I don't think he would he would do that. So Michael took advantage of that after he had died. Yeah, andit's just crazy to see that he lied right to her face about it.Like how do you mistake that? You yeah, and as soon as Connieleaves the room, Kay asked him like what, like did you do this? And he tells her don't, don't ask you about my business. Itold you, don't ask about my business. And then he calms down. He'slike fine, this one time you can ask about my business. Andshe says, is it true? Did you kill him? And he sayshe didn't, like, I mean, yeah, he could just be lying, but at the same time, like he technically he isn't the one whokilled him, because someone else killed them. He just had gave the order.Okay. Well, he also kept calling her hysterical, like he wasresponsible for killing your husband. And when she's showing normal emotions and is visiblyupset about it, he's calling her hysterical. And he also whoever grabs Connie whileshe's screaming, he tells that person. He's like go take her to adoctor. Yeah, you just killed her husband, like, regardless ofhow terrible he was, you did just have him killed and you didn't consulther. Yeah, it's just it's not right. Yeah, so in theend the only people who didn't get killed in that family is Michael, Connieand Alfredo, and I guess Tom Everyone else died. Is the mom stillalive or did she die at some point? Oh, no, she's still alive. She was at the Chris at the funeral. Oh, there isthat. The few are think, oh, she's at both of them. Yeah, so, I mean she might still be alive. I don't knowif she likes silently passes because it's not violent, but maybe she's in thelater movies and she didn't die. But the movie ends right after this scenewhere where K asks Michael if he did it and he says no and shewalks out and at that point three other men walk into the room and theythey call him down. So that means that he is now the head ofthe household and the door shuts and that's that's the end of the movie,like one final shift of power. Yeah, which I thought was interesting, andI don't know how they would continue that to to other movies, butI felt like even like that would have been a good end to everything.I think the second one is a prequel and then the third one is asequel. Okay, yeah, I'd watch a seat I prequel. Yeah,so that I love to know how the first Don Corleone got into power becauseit's not. It's not clear in the movie. Yep, I agree.So, overall, what are your thoughts? Overall, I think that this wasan important movie that I probably should have seen before. Even though Ikind of perpetuates general roles and is not...

...very good for women, I stillthink this was an important cultural film to watch. Yeah, how about you? I mean, I did like it. It was a bit long and likehard to watch three hours of a film like even now, like withthe new avengers movies, those are three hours long and that's I can't reallysit through that. That's a lot. But I think any older movie thatwe watch is gonna have those same stereotypes and gender roles and it's going tobe hard to avoid. But I think, I think I like this one morethan rocky. I think this really captured my attention and that maybe bebecause I didn't have any preconceived notions about it, because I literally knew nothingabout it. And I think also it's important to watch because there's so manyreferences to it in so many other films, like even just the two that wetalked about, which are children's films. They still it's it's still really importantto be in that. So, yeah, and also watching this assomeone who is like, who has like relatives from Italy, Um, it'skind of like funny because you get, I don't know, even though thesepeople were in the mafia, you still kind of like the Italian culture thatyou can relate to. Yeah, no, definitely. I I was thinking aboutmy my grandfather when they would like list off the Italian desserts and stuff. HMM, like when he said leave the gun, take the CANOLI.That was funny. Yeah, we watched to Italian heavy films in a rowand really really reuniting us with our heritage. But I I I enjoyed this.I'm glad I've seen this one. Yeah, I'm glad I watched ittoo. So, I mean that's that's it from us on the Godfather.Let us know your thoughts on my godfather and let us know if you wantus to watch two and three. We are also going to be starting alittle game on our our instagram and facebook where will give hints to what moviewe're watching that week and whoever is the first person to guess what movie werewatching will give you a little shout out at the beginning of the episode.So, yeah, you can follow us on Instagram, at how have wenever podcast? And on facebook where how have we never seen this before?Thanks so much for listening and we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Hey, congratulations, you've made it to the end of our podcast.Thank you so much for listening. How we never seen this before? IsProduced by Isabel barone. The music is by Scott Holmes, our social mediais run by Lauren Cola and our podcast art is now being made by MichaelBeaumont over at monitor comics. So thank you so much for that and wehope you enjoyed and we'll see you next time. By.

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